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Conservative,s with the same ideas if its not nailed down sell it. I love walking through your forests you have some of the most breath taking  heritage sites in the world and along come the money men and say its ok we will look after  your rights.

Bl@@dy shortsighted idiots...... ::)

A well discussed subject so far. All the usual 'celebs' have signed up against the idea but one has to listen to what is actually proposed. Charities could but (could not take it on) in the current economic climate.
As the low national ownership of what is left of OUR forests we MUST hold on to those remaining (18%).
I do appreciate that UK is in DEEP financial nuts but our current & future generations have to have access to our land.
This Government has gone too fast, too far, in trying to reduce the national debt.

          Whatever happened to the 'Right to roam',

If OUR forests end up in 'Investor hands' you won't have the 'right to roam'.
The fences will go up, the gates will be locked & your roaming days will be over.

Tough living in the UK innit?

It is always England that seems to be suffering.  Is it not time for some independant devolved powers.

Is this really an effort to save money or an attempt at giving their cronnies a tax fiddling opportunity.  Forestry was always a bit of a tax earner.

http://www.whereonearthgroup.com/inheritance-tax-free-forestry.php

Where did we go wrong. Every month we are borrowing money to provide services that in a few years they will be non existant. Are you aware of the following true information the British goverment provides the following financial assistance to IlligalImmigrants/Refugees  living in britain weekly allowance£250  British O.A.P. weekly allowace  £100 IlligalImmigrant/Refugee  spouce living in britain £250 weekly. British O.A.P. spouce weekly allowace £25.  IlligalImmigrant/Refugee living in britain weekly HARDSHIP allowance  £100. British O.A.P. weekly hardship allowance £0.00. British O.A.P.yearly benifit £6,000.  IlligalImmigrant/Refugee living in britain total yearly benefit £29,900 not bad for for all those who have paid tax for the past 40-60 years. The crown jewells were sold by the last Tory goverment Gas, Electric coal airports transport. The Allotments are not save you are seeing already  seeing rents double and treble this year, you are sitting on prime building plots the local councils  only belong to the goverment what they say goes. I travel to most parts of england every year my wife and I  WE love all your heritage but what i am trying to say its all goverments they dont want anyones  opinion but there own the SALE starts here

Quote from: telboy on January 27, 2011, 21:57:19
If OUR forests end up in 'Investor hands' you won't have the 'right to roam'.
The fences will go up, the gates will be locked & your roaming days will be over.

Tough living in the UK innit?

you lot ( the great British public) voted 'em in!!

Quote from: rugbypost on January 27, 2011, 22:39:18
Where did we go wrong. Every month we are borrowing money to provide services that in a few years they will be non existant. Are you aware of the following true information the British goverment provides the following financial assistance to IlligalImmigrants/Refugees  living in britain weekly allowance£250  British O.A.P. weekly allowace  £100 IlligalImmigrant/Refugee  spouce living in britain £250 weekly. British O.A.P. spouce weekly allowace £25.  IlligalImmigrant/Refugee living in britain weekly HARDSHIP allowance  £100. British O.A.P. weekly hardship allowance £0.00. British O.A.P.yearly benifit £6,000.  IlligalImmigrant/Refugee living in britain total yearly benefit £29,900 not bad for for all those who have paid tax for the past 40-60 years. The crown jewells were sold by the last Tory goverment Gas, Electric coal airports transport. The Allotments are not save you are seeing already  seeing rents double and treble this year, you are sitting on prime building plots the local councils  only belong to the goverment what they say goes. I travel to most parts of england every year my wife and I  WE love all your heritage but what i am trying to say its all goverments they dont want anyones  opinion but there own the SALE starts here

erm, 'illegal immigrants' by the very status of being 'illegal', don't show up in statistics?

you read too many right wing papers!!

There are still public rights of way in some forests, like the Harling Drove through Thetford Chase and The Peddars Way. I worked in Thetford Chase in the 1950's, one forester put a padlock on a gate on Harling Drove, phoned the Forestry Fire Officer and told him he could get the key at X. The reply was "My men are not going to mess around after keys, they will just drive through the gate and you can repair it at your own cost". Our fire tenders had a 9" channel girder on the front for that purpose. He soon removed the padlock.

Quote from: tonybloke on January 27, 2011, 22:41:49

Quote from: telboy on January 27, 2011, 21:57:19
If OUR forests end up in 'Investor hands' you won't have the 'right to roam'.
The fences will go up, the gates will be locked & your roaming days will be over.

Tough living in the UK innit?

you lot ( the great British public) voted 'em in!!

Nope, not this lot and not the last lot either and yes I did vote  ;)

 Right wing i suppose you could have called me worse tony bloke.I left all romantic ideas behind during the miners strike when  even our own looked down on us. I got up and beat who ever beat me I bought houses from auction with money the Torys give me to give up  my job  if you want to talk crap i,ll stand  toe to toe with you i am not a biggit but its time to close the doors and put our own affairs in order

Of all the woods I walk in - and I'm a regular with my dogs - it's the bastard National Trust that have excluded me from woods I've walked in for years.  Put the forests up for sale, and gang together to buy them, then they're ours and no one can keep us out.

This is an inosculation in The Chase south of Newbury, owned by the National Trust.  We were fenced out last year while they "improved" it by cutting most of the trees down and putting up wire fences.  I doubt the scum-sucking barbarians even knew what an inosculation was when they cut it down. :'(

Quote from: Unwashed on January 27, 2011, 23:27:31
Of all the woods I walk in - and I'm a regular with my dogs - it's the bastard National Trust that have excluded me from woods I've walked in for years.  Put the forests up for sale, and gang together to buy them, then they're ours and no one can keep us out.

This is an inosculation in The Chase south of Newbury, owned by the National Trust.  We were fenced out last year while they "improved" it by cutting most of the trees down and putting up wire fences.  I doubt the scum-sucking barbarians even knew what an inosculation was when they cut it down. :'(

Enlighten me!? Looks like a coppice so it really should be cut.......but why exclude people except when you're actually using a chain saw?

We were excluded to break the notional ownership we felt, so that when it is re-opened we'll be complient little sheep and keep to their authorised paths and not let our nasty dogs run around - and they're putting bloody cattle into the wood to ensure we comply.

It's a birch-hazel inosculation, very unusual, and very impressive (if you're impressed by that kind of thing, as I am).

Once again (in view of many other many other things that have happened in Britain since) I feel that I made the right decision 45 years ago when I moved to Switzerland with my young Swiss wife. Here, in this still beautiful country access to all land (not of course people's gardens and houses) is a given right. There are no 'trespassers will be prosecuted' signs because land, (although often in private hands) isn't allowed to be fenced-off and there is a right-of-way for everyone.
Having always been a keen rambler and mountain-goer it's wonderful to have no constrictions on freedom of movement. I remember as a youngster us going on our bikes to places north of London and finding great walls cutting off huge acres of god's land.  This freedom here hasn't led to any land being destroyed or downtrodden, nor can any farmers of other egoists close off paths and trails. But then we don't have a monarchy and all their lobbying pals, limp-wristed snobs and whimpering hangers-on.

I'm reminded of the worst days of the great period of "Tory Misrule"... during the great privatisation sell (rip) off remember only a Tory would buy something they already own...  :-X

Quote from: Unwashed on January 27, 2011, 23:51:08

It's a birch-hazel inosculation, very unusual, and very impressive (if you're impressed by that kind of thing, as I am).

I've just looked up inosculation in Wikipedia and it is really interesting, thanks Unwashed.

My brother-in-law has worked for the FC for 20 years. he is urging everyone to respond to the government's consultation here:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/forests/index.htm, and to write to MP's.

There is also a shorter term sale of 15% of FC woodland (40,000ha) over the
next 4 years that is going ahead before the consultation is complete more
info on this at http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/forests/index.htm

Quote from: rugbypost on January 27, 2011, 23:05:25
Right wing i suppose you could have called me worse tony bloke

erm, I didn't actually call you a right-winger, just questioned your choice of newspapers?

Quote from: rugbypost on January 27, 2011, 23:05:25
I bought houses from auction with money the Torys give me to give up  my job

and joined the capitalist system, well done!!