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I.D cards are on sale in Manchester from today at  £30 a throw, are you going  to get one?, I'm not!!
to much i s known at presant from store cards, credit cards and other things, its the thin edge of a
large wedge.

Only if you have money to burn  :o :o :o :o

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I don't understand the problem here.   An ID card is very practical and a lot like a passport.   Since I moved to Belgium I've had an id card.  It's needed to open bank accounts, register at the doctor or hospital, register as a resident at the local council, get licences and permits and so on.   I can travel within most of Europe with it but not the UK.

Information held on credit cards and store cards is commercial and shows your spending habits so you can be targeted for more sales campaigns.  You don't have to use them if you want personal habits to stay private.

It is another fund raising effort of the government.

You need a passport to get one, then you can use the ID or your passport but only in Europe.

So, exactly what is the advantage to Mr & Mrs Average?

They're compulsory here.  Having one means councils know who is living where, how many school places they need, how many pensioners teher are and so on.

We have to have one to register for health services whereas in the UK there is a problem with health "tourism" which costs the NHS a fortune every year because they haven't the means or the wit or the will to recover costs.   Same for registering one's child for school.  In Belgium each school receives funding per child which means class sizes stay within accepted norms.

It's all too easy to disappear in the UK, whether as an immigrant or someone who just wants to work in the black and avoid their taxes.   Having ID cards cuts benefit fraud.

The UK is already the most observed and recorded population in Western Europe - driving licenses, credit cards, shop cards, street cameras, mobile phone eavesdropping and so on.  I really can't see that a valid ID card giving name, age, date and place of birth, national insurance number and marital status is going to be a further invasion.

What would worry me most about an id system in the UK is the rather cavalier approach government employees have to data security - but that's something else entirely.

QuoteThey're compulsory here

How much do you have to pay to get one?

As it has been make obvious it is the rich and MPs etc who want to employ people on the cheap.  They do not want to tighten up the system.

I cannot see any reason for not having ID cards. We all carried them during the war with no worry if it carried health details, DNA etc. it would mean in the event of an accident collapse alldetails needed would be there. I have nothing to hide and most things are known by a lot of people anyway.

I wouldn't want one for the same reason that I don't carry a chicken stuffed with caviar with me when I go shopping.

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Quote from: OllieC on December 01, 2009, 11:51:43
I wouldn't want one for the same reason that I don't carry a chicken stuffed with caviar with me when I go shopping.

We I wouldn't mind as long as it was a cheap tesco chicken and not one of those free range trouble makers. Lump fish eggs would work as an entry level to this new craze. ;D ;

Surely nobody would want to see my identity card if I was carrying one of those they would automatically know I lived in Enfield.
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But when it come to ID cards if it really was a genuine way to clamp down on terrorism, yes. but it is just another quango with a cash cow.

Digeroo - they cost €12,50 for Belgians and a bit more for EU citizens like us but I can't remember exactly.    Local councils, hospitals, banks and the police have scanners to read the info encrypted on the chip.

It has to be carried at all times so is useful in case of accidents and practical for all sorts of things like booking hols, registering at hotels and so on.   It's not a bg deal.  It's a fact of life here and rather more efficient and less intrusive than the 10 yearly census the UK uses to try and establish who and what it has living there.

How exactly are ID cards supposed to prevent terrorism anyhow?  ID cards create a police state.

Quote from: Obbelix on December 01, 2009, 16:54:39It has to be carried at all times so is useful in case of accidents

Wow, they come with built-in air-bags?

Quotethey cost €12,50 for Belgians and a bit more for EU citizens like us

That is the point, they are proposing £50 or more here.  There have been reports of anything from £30 ti several hundred.

By the way I thought that it was not allowed to charge EU citizens more for anything.  One for all and all for one. 

I've just forked out £90 for a passport. Why would I want and ID card?

If you have a car accident in Belgium you have to stop and complete an accident declaration form on the spot describing the vehicles, road situation and event plus giving insurance details and have it signed by both/all vehicle drivers concerned.  ID cards nos are included.    Copies go to each driver's insurance company.

If anyone is injured, police and ambulance are involved and need to confirm your id before processing for prosecution/fine/hospital treatment as applicable.  If there are witnesses, their details are taken too. 

ID cards are very practical.

I wouldn't mind having to have an ID card but, why the hell would I pay to do so?

Quote from: Obbelix on December 01, 2009, 16:54:39
Local councils, hospitals, banks and the police have scanners to read the info encrypted on the chip.

The encrypted data is very easily read using a pc or in some cases just a mobile phone. In the event a card was in the hands of a criminal for just a few minutes they would know an awful lot about the owner of that card & would be able to produce duplicate id cards if they had the inclination.

That doesn't seem to happen here so maybe the technology is different or the criminals just have other scams.