Wild? flower ID pls

[Growing4twins]

I have 2 flowers that i would like some help with pls if poss.

This 1 is a climber & is all over my lawn area (only because ive been naughty & not mowed for .............well thats another story!)



The 2nd 1 i wish i had seen in full bloom as i think it would have been beautiful.  Its in my wild flower patch.



Any help with ID's on these would b great!

[Squash64]

The second one looks a lot like some Scabious I have on my plot.  I'll check when I go over there this morning.

[Digeroo]

Mo 2 is a teasel. 

No 1 looks like some kind of vetch. 

[grannyjanny]

I second Digeroo on both.

[Bugloss2009]

number 1 is Purple Vetch

[Grandma]

Don't get rid of the teasel, G4t - its seeds are a favourite with goldfinches! x

[grannyjanny]

& bees.

[caroline7758]

I've grown teasel for the first time this year. I realised I'd only ever seen it in its seedhead state and was surprised to find it was such a pretty purple when in bloom as well!

[Digeroo]

I love teasels.  There was a lovely patch near allotment but unfortunately someone has cut the verge and assassinated them.

The seeds are lovely for birds but rather a pain if too many start to grow.  One plant is quite big enough.

I was thinking that the vetch might be tufted vetch.   

[Growing4twins]

Hmmm.  Thanks for the input guys.  I had no intention of getting rid of the teasle.  It is growing in my wild flower patch @ the bottom of my plot.  I guess some of those seeds i got from the £ shop were actually wild flowers & not all doc leaves Grrrr!  Will it self seed & will it come back again next year if i dig over the patch?  It is overrun with long grass & docs.

[David R]

teasels are biannuals - they normally only grow a rosette of leaves the 1st year, then flower the 2nd. If you dig up the rosettes, you wont get flowers the year after, tho you might get new rossettes from dormant seed.

[Growing4twins]

teasels are biannuals - they normally only grow a rosette of leaves the 1st year, then flower the 2nd. If you dig up the rosettes, you wont get flowers the year after, tho you might get new rossettes from dormant seed.

Ahh thx 4 that David, maybe ill just dig around it  then

[grannyjanny]

Will it self seed . You'll be able to sell them. There in all the cracks on the path at the lotty & in a tiny flower bed but I just pull them out. It's so lovely watching the birds & the bees .