Kidney Beans

[tim]

Can you use the SECOND water - after the long simmer??

[tim]

[grannyjanny]

Yes you can Tim. I use as the stock when I am making vegetarian dishes. Hope you are all well.

[PurpleHeather]

A lot of supermarkets have these beans in cans for coppers and I honestly can not see the point in soaking them boiling rapidly, then simmering them. It must cost more in fuel to do the heating than the price of a tin.

Is there really any benefit in doing them from dried?

I ask mainly because I do not care for them that much, so can not taste any difference in them.

[grannyjanny]

I suppose it depends on the recipe.

[tim]

Any point? Good question. Yes - I believe there is. Because you can/do finish them off in the dish's stock, which they absorb. Won't guarantee to tell the difference, but must be? But mostly one opens a tin!

Second water - thanks - did a google later & found this, amongst others - http://www.centralbean.com/storeandsoak.html
And I was worried about the second lot!!

Anyway - here it was - far too much liquid in the Rice/Pea bit but good. A very poorly worded recipe.

http://www.channel4.com/food/recipes/occasions/dinner-parties/come-dine-with-me/series-2/jamaican-chicken-rice-and-pea-recipe_p_1.html

[1066]

Looks delicious Tim!
I find a lot of recipies where the amount of water used seems to exceed what is needed. Depending on actually how wet the mixture is 1 trick I learned (it was for bughur wheat but I use it with rice as well) is to turn the heat off then put a claen tea towel over the pan for 5 or 10 mins. The excess water is soaked up and the rice / wheat can be fluffed up

Having looked at the recipie I'm not sure I would add as much coconut in, but hey each to their own. However, you've made me hungry now! I know a Madhur Jaffrey recipe for this dish, so will have to make it again soon  :)

[tim]

With hindsight, not too keen on the pink!!

[1066]

I know exactly what you mean  ;D  But this thread has now made me think of proper goat curry....... long time since I've had any!

[qahtan]

Don't know if you want to read this about kidney beans, I prefer to open a can of them....
RED KIDNEY BEAN POISONING
Red Kidney Bean Poisoning is an illness caused by a toxic agent, Phytohaemagglutnin (Kidney Bean Lectin). This toxic agent is found in many species of beans, but it is in highest concentration in red kidney beans (Phaseolus vulgaris). The unit of toxin measure is the hemagglutinating unit (hau). Raw kidney beans contain from 20,000 to 70,000 hau, while fully cooked beans contain from 200 to 400 hau. White kidney beans, another variety of Phaseolus vulgaris, contain about one-third the amount of toxin as the red variety; broad beans (Vicia faba) contain 5 to 10% the amount that red kidney beans contain.

As few as 4 or 5 beans can bring on symptoms. Onset of symptoms varies from between 1 to 3 hours. Onset is usually marked by extreme nausea, followed by vomiting, which may be very severe. Diarrhea develops somewhat later (from one to a few hours), and some persons report abdominal pain. Some persons have been hospitalized, but recovery is usually rapid (3 - 4 h after onset of symptoms) and spontaneous.


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The syndrome is usually caused by the ingestion of raw, soaked kidney beans, either alone or in salads or casseroles. As few as four or five raw beans can trigger symptoms. Several outbreaks have been associated with "slow cookers" or crock pots, or in casseroles which had not reached a high enough internal temperature to destroy the glycoprotein lectin. It has been shown that heating to 80 degrees C. may potentiate the toxicity five-fold, so that these beans are more toxic than if eaten raw. In studies of casseroles cooked in slow cookers, internal temperatures often did not exceed 75 degrees C..

All persons, regardless of age or gender, appear to be equally susceptible; the severity is related only to the dose ingested.

No major outbreaks have occurred in the U.S. Outbreaks in the U.K. are far more common, and may be attributed to greater use of dried kidney beans in the U.K., or better physician awareness and reporting.

NOTE: The following procedure has been recommended by the PHLS (Public Health Laboratory Services, Colindale, U.K.) to render kidney, and other, beans safe for consumption:
* Soak in water for at least 5 hours.
* Pour away the water.
* Boil briskly in fresh water for at least 10 minutes.
* Undercooked beans may be more toxic than raw beans. [/font]

[PurpleHeather]

Thanks qatan for that.

As I have said. I am not their biggest fan. i will keep a tin in my cupboard for when I get  one of those 'I will save the world' diets. visiting
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Dried beans, to me, are horrible things we should only have to eat in times of extreme famine. Grind them into flour..........

With  ASDA'  ALDI  & Sainsbodies within walking distance I can get properfood without any worries. And real food. Because I know how to cook

[qahtan]

 I didn't want any one poisoning themselves with the beans,  But like you it is not one of my favourite foods maybe once in a blue moon we will have chili' ;-)
 
How I would love to have a roam around your stores, Sainsbury's and such, I do look them up on the net some times, but then again some times I don't know what they are talking about.
And your prices nearly knock me off my chair....
take care qahtan

[Digeroo]

Some years ago when slow cookers became fashionable there were a number of actual deaths from making chilli con carne. 

Glad you like our supermarkets.  Perhaps the thing that people notice is just how many different cheeses are on offer.   We have several types of dried and several types of tinned beans available. 

I make my own baked beans delicious.  I like nice big beans not the small white ones either kidney beans or french beans.  They are fine if soaked in the fridge overnight and the water thrown away.  I cook mine in a pressure cooker which is even hotter.

[qahtan]

Hi Digeroo.

Looked on the map to see where you are, (still don't know) but I did see the lake cald Horsehoe Lake...We have Horsehoe Falls the Canadian falls at Niagara Falls 15 mins away.;-))))
You do seem to have a good variety of goodies in your stores over there,                     qahtan

[qahtan]

 Me again Digeroo..

Yes got you now.... Had a friend that lived in Stanford in the Vale....
   I think it was Lechlade that my husband bought a jacket made from some of the wool from local sheep. Jacobs, multicolour fleece.  q

[Digeroo]

Just north of lechlade is a place called Filkins and there is an old fashions woolen weaving business.  They use the old tyoes of looms.  They sell all sorts of woolen fabrics.

The horse shoe lake is hardly to compare with your falls.  It is a reclaimed gravel quarry used for fishing.  Our allotments have lakes in two directions.  Lovely to walk past and see the water birds.  At the moment there are swans, canada geese, black and white ducks and coots.  But in comparison to  your horseshoe falls they are just muddy puddles.   Except that the water is constantly flowing through them.

[qahtan]

Thanks for the update on on your lake....

Filkins does does sorta ring a bell,,,, I saw their looms,
I have two spinning wheels and three floor looms here, but don't use any more ;-(((

                                  q

[Vinlander]

RED KIDNEY BEAN POISONING
As few as 4 or 5 beans can bring on symptoms.

...but recovery is usually rapid.

broad beans (Vicia faba) contain 5 to 10% the amount that red kidney beans contain

Thanks Qahtan for getting this stuff straight.

Particularly the bit about there being no ill effects after recovery - this means it's a nice "simple" poison - not a cumulative one (such as many entirely legal pesticides).

Bearing in mind how cautious people have to be when writing this stuff - that means every adult in the world could eat up to 40 raw broad beans without noticing any effect whatsoever*.

That's a lot of raw beans!

My own experience is that you can eat at least half this weight of raw mature french or runner bean seeds without noticing anything.

I wouldn't recommend trying as much as a quarter of this the first time (people do vary), but they are quite a nice snack when you're peckish while digging or whatever.

Raw immature pods are at least as harmless - you'd need to use them as a main dish to get anywhere near a problem.

Basically if you avoid both kidney beans and veganism you are very unlikely to encounter any ill effects!

Cheers.

*Actually that's not quite true - there are a few unfortunates with a genetic defect that means they cannot eat broad beans (favism) - a totally separate problem.