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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 17:36:41 »

Like Grawrc I am confused.  I certainly do not like to give any transplant shock.  I usually put them out during the day in a sheltered position and gradually get them used to the wind etc.  Even after planting out they might get fleeced or cloched up on cold or windy days.  I would reckon to try and keep them above about 7C as much as poss.  I might also try and pick a warm spell of weather, but the forecasts are notoriously unreliable in their predictions here.

Acclimation and acclimating are not words in my vocabulary.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acclimatization

http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/914/

Though this article gives good info re hardening off, author must come from near you.

Davesgarden defines acclimation as hardening off:

http://davesgarden.com/guides/terms/go/2161/

I think you will find in gardening we here in the UK just call this hardening off.

I do think we are getting problems with nomenclature.  Looks like we will need a translation.

I think we also call succession planting Catch cropping.

Then there is intercropping - two different crop at the same time
and Companion planting  - growing flowers etc amongst the veg to attract bees and deter pest.

I spent years working with charts, figures and spreadsheets.   I still find your charts rather daunting.  I do think you need to run them past a cross section of people to see how they get on with them.  
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 17:38:51 »

It would look good over two pages Plainleaf.

If you are going to produce comprehensive charts like this for most vegetables, I have to say that I would be tempted to purchase.  I love charts and know that I would use them often even if I had to do a slight visual conversion with frost dates.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2012, 17:43:37 »

If you will not tell us in rather more detail what you are using the charts for, it is rather difficult to say which one is best.
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 17:59:50 »

aj
1.interval planting and succession planting are same thing:
the term means plant the same crop several times over a period of time to spread out the harvest.
example: if plant 4 blocks of same variety of corn.  one block ever week
spreads the harvest over 4 weeks.


2.succession cropping: is plant two different crops one after the other is finished.

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 18:35:04 »

aj
1.interval planting and succession planting are same thing:
the term means plant the same crop several times over a period of time to spread out the harvest.
example: if plant 4 blocks of same variety of corn.  one block ever week
spreads the harvest over 4 weeks.


2.succession cropping: is plant two different crops one after the other is finished.



So what's interval cropping then?
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 20:49:43 »

aj don't know since don't use that term

digeroo
1.chart one predicts harvest from set seed start date using dtm .
2.chart two uses seed start date  change then calculates it for each dtm group

given same start date and dtm both charts give same results

ps i will be posting revised version of chat tonite.
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« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2012, 22:48:45 »

aj don't know since don't use that term

Yeah you did - look - I've put it in bold for you below...


the book title is following
" Tactical Vegetable Gardening: A guide to Succession Cropping,Interval Cropping &
Companion planting.
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2012, 23:15:34 »

Do you mean French fried potatoes?
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2012, 09:11:43 »

well i meant interval planting. but since coined to term accidentally
I guess get to define it Interval Cropping is when you plant more then 1 varieties of a crop the have different dtms thus spread you harvest over a greater range of time then you would have with one variety. 
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 09:46:35 »

May I ask why you have done the chart for tomatoes? It is not the sort of thing that lends it's self to succession/interval planting.
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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2012, 15:46:12 »

Chrispy i would disagree with you on that. it is done like that quite easily with determinate varieties.
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2012, 16:09:34 »

I don't understand.
When I grow tomatoes, they continue to crop until the frost kills them (or for the outdoor ones on my allotment when the blight gets them).

On your chart, it gives a 10 day period for harvest, I just assumed this this was the start harvest window as I am just aiming for the longest harvest period.

I understand different variaties have different cropping times I am having that dilema at the moment, but whatever I grow I want the longest possible cropping period, so they will go out as early as possible, and they will come out as late as possible.

If you want a follow on crop, then this would mean removing healthey productive plants, is this what you do?
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2012, 17:06:51 »

chrispy yes that is start cropping
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2012, 17:40:20 »

What's the aim of this book in the first place? Who is the audience?
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2012, 17:44:55 »

aj title should make that it obvious
Tactical Vegetable Gardening: A Guide to Succession planting, Interval Planting &
Companion planting.
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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2012, 20:00:08 »

i will posting revised version of each chart tomorrow based off suggestions.
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