Topic: Jock Independance (again)

[Mr Smith]

if Scotland eventually go for Independence in 2014 I'm emigrating  I've already got a sponsor, my mate he's been up there for years, :)

[grawrc]

Well if we ever get the referendum, I'll be saying yes to independence. Not that I have anything against England, Ireland and Wales but our needs, wants and aspirations in Scotland seem to be fundamentally different from the UK as a whole. We vote but have no voice.

I suspect that most of England down to the Watford Gap - or thereabouts - would happily come with us!

[betula]

I love Scotland and you really do have a lot of advantages we do not have.

I am an English woman though so sadly will only be coming for holidays :)

My Westie just said she is off to pack her bag ;D

[grawrc]

Hey Den - 2 of my grandparents were English!!! Mmmm ... Lancashire and Yorkshire though, so does that count? ;)

[betula]

Have no idea.......being a Brummie girl :)

[ACE]

I went there once, It was closed

[betula]

We could have gone to Edinburgh when Jim was made redundant from Standard Life.They offered him relocation.

It was tempting but East West homes best,too many things to leave behind.

[OllieC]

It's a good job they weren't independent 3 years ago when English tax payers bailed out the Scottish banks, bringing the UK to it's knees. I say this as a Scottish refugee who hopes to return before too long & vote "No".

[rugbypost]

As a independant on this Have you thought it out if it was not for England  supporting Scotland, Wales, and Northen Ireland we would have sunk years ago. My Father bless him indpendance for Wales  there was no work in wales no oil rights plenty of cockles and mussels  but no brains.  Services for years have been  help by grants from london when this stops  after the vote were does the buck stop :(

[Carol]

I am proud to being a 'Scottish Borderer'  (there is a difference).  No way, no way will either of us vote for independence.   The very sight of that smug, little *************  Alex Salmond and his entourage makes our blood run cold.  I think we would relocate the 10 miles to over the border into Northumberland.  Scotland cannot stand on its own feet, we are a United Kingdom and that is how it should stay.

[Obelixx]

Let them go and be Scottish and independent, but without all their UK subsidies paid for by English taxes and relinquishing all MPs in Westminster and Scottish lords too and let them also buy back their banks saved by English tax payers.

I have English, Irish and Scottish ancestors and a bit of Danish too and have no qualms about letting Scotland go and stand on its own financial feet.   Beautiful country and some nice people but politically and socially it's messy and expensive.

[gp.girl]

Must visit before I need a passport.....

[Mr Smith]

I think it is very noble of the Prime Minister to grant Scotland a Referendum on leaving the Union. Please Mr Cameron can the English have one for leaving the EU,  :)

[lincsyokel2]

Well if we ever get the referendum, I'll be saying yes to independence. Not that I have anything against England, Ireland and Wales but our needs, wants and aspirations in Scotland seem to be fundamentally different from the UK as a whole. We vote but have no voice.

I suspect that most of England down to the Watford Gap - or thereabouts - would happily come with us!

Why  Do you think you will be voting for independance?

Do you not realise the sumptuous and luxurious public services, and many other things like no Uni fees,  are all subsidised by the englsih - the NHS in SCotland is subsidised to the tune of £400 per patient. And dont go counting on North Sea Oil, thats dead and buried, the peak went past years ago, and the world is slowly weaning itself off whats left (which in the North Sea is practically nothing).

So what will happen is you go independant, almost immediately you will have to go grovelling hand in cap to the EU. The EU, will ofc, throw money at you,, and the price you pay will be a slow creeping takeover of your country. In short you'll be swapping the english for the germans. You will be forced to join the single currency for a start, and even you have to admit, had we been in the single currency, we woudl have been deep deep in the poo, because we couldnt have altered our interest rates and performed QE. As the creep of EU Superstate proceeds, your taxation will be taken over by Brussels, along with the economic control of your country. In 25 years, your parliment will have almost no control of your economy or country.  And once the EU control your economy, like in Greece, they will stop the money and squeeze you tight, the money will dry up. Slavery awaits you.

If you vote for independance, you are voting for slavery to the EU Superstate. And believe me, they are circling now, just waiting to gobble you up and own you.

But do carry on. We will be so pleased to get rid of the interfering scottish MP's who obedienbtly did as labour told them, keeping labour in power long after they spent all the money and outstayed thre lying welcome, and continue to intefere in the affair of the english in our parliment. Without these meddling scots in our parliment,  the Tories will have an outright majority, and clegg and his cronies would be irrelevant. 

The hypcrisy of Alex Salmond to complain about us intefering in the scottish referendum vote when his MP's have repeatedly imposed stuff on us we didnt want by voting like good little Nu Labour lapdogs  our parliment is truly breathtaking.  Good riddance we say.

[Pescador]

Stop beating around the bush Lincsyokel. Tell it to them straight!!

[Nigel B]

Do you not realise the sumptuous and luxurious public services, and many other things like no Uni fees,  are all subsidised by the englsih

Looking at a map of the United Kingdom, I feel bound to disagree somewhat with this statement of 'fact'. It seems to me we all pay tax.

And dont go counting on North Sea Oil, thats dead and buried, the peak went past years ago, and the world is slowly weaning itself off whats left (which in the North Sea is practically nothing).

Up in Shetland, they are preparing the second phase of their oil terminal. The French oil and gas company, Total, is to invest £500m in a new gas plant at Sullom Voe which is expected to open for business in 2014. It's not finished by a long chalk.

Still. Sorry to interrupt your rant with facts.... carry on. ;)

[meter rat]

Cut Lincolnshire off, along with the independant state of Hull, and let them get on withit. That gets my vote  ;D

[lincsyokel2]

Do you not realise the sumptuous and luxurious public services, and many other things like no Uni fees,  are all subsidised by the englsih

Looking at a map of the United Kingdom, I feel bound to disagree somewhat with this statement of 'fact'. It seems to me we all pay tax.

The Uk subsidies scoitland to the tune of £1012 per head. They get approx £22 billion a year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/simonheffer/6123095/England-pays-through-the-nose-for-the-luxury-of-Scottish-values.html

Scottish Executive figures for 2009-10 show that spending per capita in Scotland was £11,370, versus £10,320 for the UK. In other words, spending in Scotland was £1,030 - or 10% higher - per head of population than the UK average
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16477990


Even if Scotland keppt all its oil revenue, woudl woudl still have to give them £6 billion a year to keep them i nthe luxury the english cant afford
http://james.lab6.com/2006/12/20/does-scotland-pay-its-own-way/

So, sorry, mate, its a fact. We pay for the scots free prescriptions, free universitiues, better NHS and better roads. Scottish independance will mean penuary and poverty for your country. Good luck.

And dont go counting on North Sea Oil, thats dead and buried, the peak went past years ago, and the world is slowly weaning itself off whats left (which in the North Sea is practically nothing).

Up in Shetland, they are preparing the second phase of their oil terminal. The French oil and gas company, Total, is to invest £500m in a new gas plant at Sullom Voe which is expected to open for business in 2014. It's not finished by a long chalk.

Still. Sorry to interrupt your rant with facts.... carry on. ;)

North Sea oil is running out, there winding down Forte and Piper. You have 17 years tops of diminshing returns.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1584925/North-Sea-oil-is-running-out.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/may/04/oil.energy
http://www.utility-exchange.co.uk/north-sea-oil-gas-may-run-out-in-just-17-years-15002/


Sorry to interrupt your wet dream with facts..............you need to stop listining to the bollox Alex Salmond is filling your head with and do your own research.  You'll soons see he's spouting a pile of crap to con you into voting him abetter job. He's the Scottish Tony Blair, and look what ours turned out like, a liar and ac rook.

[OllieC]

I suppose the question is, can a small, barren, mountainous, northern European country which is cold and dark half the year, with only a five million population and left leaning tendencies ever be economically viable? Let's click and see, shall we ...

http://www.aneki.com/income_countries.html

[Nigel B]

Do you not realise the sumptuous and luxurious public services, and many other things like no Uni fees,  are all subsidised by the englsih

Looking at a map of the United Kingdom, I feel bound to disagree somewhat with this statement of 'fact'. It seems to me we all pay tax.

The Uk subsidies scoitland to the tune of £1012 per head. They get approx £22 billion a year.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/simonheffer/6123095/England-pays-through-the-nose-for-the-luxury-of-Scottish-values.html

Scottish Executive figures for 2009-10 show that spending per capita in Scotland was £11,370, versus £10,320 for the UK. In other words, spending in Scotland was £1,030 - or 10% higher - per head of population than the UK average
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16477990


Even if Scotland keppt all its oil revenue, woudl woudl still have to give them £6 billion a year to keep them i nthe luxury the english cant afford
http://james.lab6.com/2006/12/20/does-scotland-pay-its-own-way/

So, sorry, mate, its a fact. We pay for the scots free prescriptions, free universitiues, better NHS and better roads. Scottish independance will mean penuary and poverty for your country. Good luck.

I love the way you don't 'get it' when anyone makes a point you don't agree with.;)
Look. We ALL pay tax. How YOUR government decides to allocate that money is a problem YOU have with YOUR government. Never mind your op-ed pieces that back up your ultra-nationalist views. Why are you on Scotland's case about that?
Oh, and it's not my Country mate. I live in Wales, where we enjoy even more of your tax money with free prescriptions. :)

And dont go counting on North Sea Oil, thats dead and buried, the peak went past years ago, and the world is slowly weaning itself off whats left (which in the North Sea is practically nothing).

Up in Shetland, they are preparing the second phase of their oil terminal. The French oil and gas company, Total, is to invest £500m in a new gas plant at Sullom Voe which is expected to open for business in 2014. It's not finished by a long chalk.

Still. Sorry to interrupt your rant with facts.... carry on. ;)

North Sea oil is running out, there winding down Forte and Piper. You have 17 years tops of diminshing returns.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1584925/North-Sea-oil-is-running-out.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/may/04/oil.energy
http://www.utility-exchange.co.uk/north-sea-oil-gas-may-run-out-in-just-17-years-15002/


Sorry to interrupt your wet dream with facts..............you need to stop listining to the bollox Alex Salmond is filling your head with and do your own research.  You'll soons see he's spouting a pile of crap to con you into voting him abetter job. He's the Scottish Tony Blair, and look what ours turned out like, a liar and ac rook.

My wet dreams? :D Pull the other one Yokel, it's got bells on.
The Oil still has a lot of years left as even you admit, and as for the Gas......................? A £500Million investment doesn't sound like they are paying for the last dregs does it?
Meanwhile, I couldn't care less about Salmond. He has not filled my head with anything old chap.
Now you have a nice day, y'hear?.... :)