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it may be, melbourne, but if the schoolchildren get the stuff all over their clothes, would you want to wash the crap out?also, in todays litigious society, ain't it better safe than sorry?
Quote from: tonybloke on February 10, 2011, 08:35:09it may be, melbourne, but if the schoolchildren get the stuff all over their clothes, would you want to wash the crap out?also, in todays litigious society, ain't it better safe than sorry?I take your point, but these aren't newly tarred sleepers. They're many years old - so old that they've been retired and removed by the railway, stored, and have ended up as a nice strong raised bed. Time and weather has long ago removed any surface stickiness.
The beds are made from very old railway sleepers that we could see were still seeping.
Otherwise we'd fear to sit down on a bench that had once been painted or varnished for fear of the deadly chemicals that might suddenly leap out and overwhelm us. Should I perhaps not sit on the loo, for fear of the bleach with which it has been cleaned this morning? It's deadly poison, y'know.
Back in the day, we used to slosh creosote everywhere on outdoor timbers. And use Jeyes Fluid.I think there's a bit of overreaction to the dangers of creosote. OK, don't put your sandwich down on freshly creosoted woodwork, nor lick your fingers after handling the stuff, but old railway sleepers? What's the mechanism by which the supposed deadly tar products are going to get into your carrots and cabbages? And how much is actually going to leach out? It's ignorably small, isn't it?
Quote from: Melbourne12 on February 10, 2011, 07:56:01Back in the day, we used to slosh creosote everywhere on outdoor timbers. And use Jeyes Fluid.I think there's a bit of overreaction to the dangers of creosote. OK, don't put your sandwich down on freshly creosoted woodwork, nor lick your fingers after handling the stuff, but old railway sleepers? What's the mechanism by which the supposed deadly tar products are going to get into your carrots and cabbages? And how much is actually going to leach out? It's ignorably small, isn't it?As I stated before hand, I work with these types of sleeper and others. When I say we had to change the way we install them the reason for this is that they leach into the water table and we have to pay heavily in fines for this.To use them in a school environment would be stupid, the kids are more prone to bugs as their systems are not fully developed yet.I have used sleepers in my garden, and have ensured they are from a good source and have been wrapped with butyl liner before laying down. This way there is no leaching of toxins into the soil or food we eat.If you don't believe the replies to this thread then look at the following link.http://www.tec.org.au/safersolutions/a/63-creosoteUse with caution or find some new ones which are not soaked in this substance.
Quote from: landimad on February 10, 2011, 15:53:24Quote from: Melbourne12 on February 10, 2011, 07:56:01Back in the day, we used to slosh creosote everywhere on outdoor timbers. And use Jeyes Fluid.I think there's a bit of overreaction to the dangers of creosote. OK, don't put your sandwich down on freshly creosoted woodwork, nor lick your fingers after handling the stuff, but old railway sleepers? What's the mechanism by which the supposed deadly tar products are going to get into your carrots and cabbages? And how much is actually going to leach out? It's ignorably small, isn't it?As I stated before hand, I work with these types of sleeper and others. When I say we had to change the way we install them the reason for this is that they leach into the water table and we have to pay heavily in fines for this.To use them in a school environment would be stupid, the kids are more prone to bugs as their systems are not fully developed yet.I have used sleepers in my garden, and have ensured they are from a good source and have been wrapped with butyl liner before laying down. This way there is no leaching of toxins into the soil or food we eat.If you don't believe the replies to this thread then look at the following link.http://www.tec.org.au/safersolutions/a/63-creosoteUse with caution or find some new ones which are not soaked in this substance. thanks for an informative post, not just biased rhetoric.
Quote from: tonybloke on February 10, 2011, 16:59:07Quote from: landimad on February 10, 2011, 15:53:24Quote from: Melbourne12 on February 10, 2011, 07:56:01Back in the day, we used to slosh creosote everywhere on outdoor timbers. And use Jeyes Fluid.I think there's a bit of overreaction to the dangers of creosote. OK, don't put your sandwich down on freshly creosoted woodwork, nor lick your fingers after handling the stuff, but old railway sleepers? What's the mechanism by which the supposed deadly tar products are going to get into your carrots and cabbages? And how much is actually going to leach out? It's ignorably small, isn't it?As I stated before hand, I work with these types of sleeper and others. When I say we had to change the way we install them the reason for this is that they leach into the water table and we have to pay heavily in fines for this.To use them in a school environment would be stupid, the kids are more prone to bugs as their systems are not fully developed yet.I have used sleepers in my garden, and have ensured they are from a good source and have been wrapped with butyl liner before laying down. This way there is no leaching of toxins into the soil or food we eat.If you don't believe the replies to this thread then look at the following link.http://www.tec.org.au/safersolutions/a/63-creosoteUse with caution or find some new ones which are not soaked in this substance. thanks for an informative post, not just biased rhetoric.All I want is a clear explanation of how these compounds migrate into vegetables, not a link to some green politics site.And, just for your information, the compounds in creosote may indeed be toxic, but they are certainly not toxins. Whenever you see the word "toxin", its a pound to a pinch of organic manure that the author is a propagandist, and wouldn't know a scientific analysis if it walked into a steelyard.
Wood treated before the Regulations come into force may be supplied for second-hand use (regulation 5(5)), and its use is restricted by regulation 6.Treated wood may not be used in the situations specified in regulation 6, including inside any buildings, in toys and in playgrounds. Where treated wood is in use before the Regulations came into force its continued use is not affected by the restrictions on use in regulation 6.
You could try the lawhttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/1511/contents/madeFrom the explanatory notes:QuoteWood treated before the Regulations come into force may be supplied for second-hand use (regulation 5(5)), and its use is restricted by regulation 6.Treated wood may not be used in the situations specified in regulation 6, including inside any buildings, in toys and in playgrounds. Where treated wood is in use before the Regulations came into force its continued use is not affected by the restrictions on use in regulation 6.Section 6 also prohibits its use for containers used for growing purposes, or anything which comes into contact with food for humans or animals.
Mal I think busy bodys = some kind lottie holders going along to a school offeringa bit of gardening help and advice on invitation, and when the so called teacher/head was giving sound advise on the dangers of seeping sleepers and was shot down, it was no wonder you was concerned and asked advise on here, it's a shame that nowdays the concern for childrens health gets billed into the bracket of busy bodies. :( :( :(