Hi Feets, Took the computer to the shop and after a few days we went back, it was sat on the floor with completely knackered written on it, so I guess there wasn't much to save really, it was quite old and with me using it must have shortened its life span even more. Frank did one of those courses, he said it was quite useful there were people there who didn't know anything and others who whizzed through, so he didn't feel an idiot being somewhere in the middle. ;D