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Yes allotments do need planning permission !
« on: August 11, 2011, 10:16:18 »
Some time ago i asked the question here , 'do allotment need planning permission' , but was not able to go into any detail, as we were at war with the planning gods. Last night common sense prevailed and we were granted permission against the planners refusal. Our story may be of some use to other sites.
in 2006 we had a lottery grant to build some disabled plots , but was unable to get funding or the council to add a toilet to the plan, by 2010 we managed to raise £2000 via members fundraising events, but as this only covered the cost of a main sewer connection ( other systems not possible) we applied to the lottery and were granted the funds to expand the plan, our Green-fingers cabin + disabled toilet project was born , Council said go ahead....a SH portacabin was purchased for £3000 , and we had loads of support from local and national business with donations and special prices. work commenced in June ... until the local planning dept stepped in , 'you need permission'.. we quickly drew up and submitted better plans (£170 fee). they refused permission as did not conform to local temporary building policy and other nonsense. it went to the line, Last night a full planning committee granted permission !, we just have to paint it a different colour !
Today I am reflecting on the cost to the council tax payers and time wasted that could have been spent on more important issues.

Why is there not better guidance for buildings on allotment sites ?

What we learned , always get agreements confirmed and in writing...







           

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Re: Yes allotments do need planning permission !
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2011, 19:49:19 »
Creating an allotment does not require planning permission.  It doesn't need planning permission because whatever the current planning land use using land for agriculture (which here includes allotments) isn't development.

However, development always needs planning permission, though it's not always easy to say what the planning dept. consider to be development.  In general any kind of building or structure is development, such as building toilets and permanent raised beds, siting containers, and maybe erecting fencing too.  The toilet and foul drainage works also require building regulations approval.

I though planning departments usually made that quite clear, no?
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Re: Yes allotments do need planning permission !
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2011, 20:02:53 »
Yes allotment buildings need planning permission , our planners stated anything over 4sqm ! and they want £170 per application... what is needed is national and sensible guidance for allotment development. How is it correct  for adjacent authorities to a come to different planning decisions. One council gave an allotment two cabins for their use no question over planning, our planners made us jump through hoops...

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Re: Yes allotments do need planning permission !
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2011, 20:56:52 »
Yes allotment buildings need planning permission , our planners stated anything over 4sqm ! and they want £170 per application... what is needed is national and sensible guidance for allotment development. How is it correct  for adjacent authorities to a come to different planning decisions. One council gave an allotment two cabins for their use no question over planning, our planners made us jump through hoops...
A council has permitted development rights for ancilliary development on its own land so it doesn't need to apply for planning permission to put a cabin on its own site.  Is this what happened?

Development always needs planning permission, but it's the planning officer's decision what constitutes development, and the 4m2 thing sounds like a sensible pragmatic decision in the circumstances, but that's not necessarily going to be the right decision for every site.

I don't see where the problem is, wasn't it obvious that your toilet building was going to need planning permission?  Why would you think it would be exempt?  Did a planning officer tell you it would be exempt?
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