brilliantr thankyou rosa, will let them get used to being where they are and then in a few days time nip them, dont know why im fussing them so much tho as we have some locally that grow in the oddest places every year in the local neighbourhood, absolutlely no care whatsoever and every year pop there they are, yet can i get mine past the slugs?? will deffo pinch out tho as i dont mind waiting for flowers as long as i get some :) many thanx again everyone! lou xx (ps shirltone ill be plantig the ones you gave me this week, and hopefully putting the wigwam in the kids plot on the lotty for some others to start up... wish me luck!) xx