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Title: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: return of the mac on April 26, 2005, 16:38:53
Looking for suggestions on types of perrenial veg to grow- i only know of asparagus
Also what should i fertilise strawberries with- mine look a bit small and weedy- want to give them a boost- is compost/manure ok?
Finally, had a bit of an idea- would it be possible to sow a green manure around my pumpkin plants to reduce my crop rotation time and help fertilise the pumkins? Has anyone tried this?
Thanks for your time
John ;)
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: tim on April 26, 2005, 18:03:55
Perennials.

I can only think of 9 Star Perennial Caulis: Welsh Onions: Rhubarb: Horseradish??

And, of course, all the herbs.
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: cleo on April 26, 2005, 20:09:35
Cardoon,seakale,Globe Artichoke,good king Henry-there must be others?

Stephan
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: David R on April 26, 2005, 20:23:08
Hops, my fav "veg"
;D
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: tim on April 26, 2005, 20:23:56
I knew someone would bring in the globes, but with my chloresterol count.......??
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: David R on April 26, 2005, 20:32:57
Quote from: return of the mac on April 26, 2005, 16:38:53
Finally, had a bit of an idea- would it be possible to sow a green manure around my pumpkin plants to reduce my crop rotation time and help fertilise the pumkins? Has anyone tried this?


The point of crop rotation is to eliminate pests and diseases which build up by growing the same crop over and over, its not necessarily about soil fertility.

had another thought about perennials- apparently, peppers and chilies are! if the frost does not have em.
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: cleo on April 26, 2005, 21:48:58
Quote from: tim on April 26, 2005, 20:23:56
I knew someone would bring in the globes, but with my chloresterol count.......??

Tim-sorry to be cheeky-but at your age you should know that the best globes are those undressed? One could go on to add that the sweetest bud is young and sucked gently-one does of course,refer to the Globe Artichoke

Stephan
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: Lizard Man on April 26, 2005, 23:01:00
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The point of crop rotation is to eliminate pests and diseases which build up by growing the same crop over and over, its not necessarily about soil fertility.

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Isn't the point of crop rotation to help maintain a balanced soil composition and therefore have strong vigorous plants which yield more fruit/tubers/etc. The diseases and pests are a result of not rotating, due to the plants not being so strong to fight off attack. And of course crop rotation doesn't eliminate pests and diseases (if only it did) it just reduces them.

Other suggestions, return of the mac, are perrenial broccoli and of course the wonderful (or wonderfuel?!) Jerusalem artichoke. Not so much of a cholesterol count issue here (depending on how you cook them of course).
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: Mrs Ava on April 26, 2005, 23:18:56
The way some of my veggies are behaving, I would say chard and perpetual spinach make good perennials.

And as for you Stephan  :o :o ;D ;)
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: Moggle on April 27, 2005, 10:02:01
Quote from: return of the mac on April 26, 2005, 16:38:53
Finally, had a bit of an idea- would it be possible to sow a green manure around my pumpkin plants to reduce my crop rotation time and help fertilise the pumkins? Has anyone tried this?
John ;)

Mac, I am going to try something similair to that this year, but it's more like a variation on the 3 sisters method - which is sweetcorn, squashes and beans. Instead of beans I am going to try undersowing the sweetcorn with clover. I expect the clover will eventually be shaded out by the pumpkins, but it's worth experimenting isn't it?

Wouldn't suggest it replaces rotation though.
Title: Re: So many questions- perrenial veg, pumpkins...
Post by: philcooper on April 27, 2005, 10:47:01
Quote from: return of the mac on April 26, 2005, 16:38:53
- would it be possible to sow a green manure around my pumpkin plants to reduce my crop rotation time and help fertilise the pumkins?

David R has answered the rotation question.

Green manure fertilises the soil after it is dug in so it won't help the plants if it's growing alongside them - in fact, as punpkins are gross feeders, it will take nutrients away from them

It's a bit late now but next year you would have time to get in a crop of mustard before the pumpkins go in or an overwintering crop such as field beans

phil