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Title: Stroking
Post by: sandersj89 on March 23, 2005, 11:47:23
Is any one using the “stroking” method on their seedlings of things like Peppers, Tomatoes, Aubergines, etc?

I am stroking my seedlings at least twice a day for a few seconds and am interested if it makes any difference. It is meant to increase the strength of the plant simulating a breeze blowing around them and flexing their stems.

Not done it before but thought it can't hurt!

Jerry
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: wivvles on March 23, 2005, 12:02:12
I did a research project on this many years ago back in my student (pre allotment) days.  The process is known as "Thigmomorphogenesis" - basically, the response of plant growth to touch stimulus.  As Jerry says, the process is meant to replicate the conditions of a breeze, thus the plant grows sturdier and shorter - and is better suited to transplanting out (essentially it's a form of hardening off, but practiced much earlier).  Basically the cells in the stem have thicker cell walls, so are stronger.

This is the first year that I've seriously grown my own seedlings for transplanting out, and I've been using a piece of paper to gently brush the seedlings every night.  As I recall, if you have the capability, a fan GENTLY blowing across the trays of seedlings is supposed to be better as it also increases evaporation and encourages the leaves to produce thicker cuticles.
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: moonbells on March 23, 2005, 12:08:12
I stroke my cabbage seedlings to stop them getting too leggy as it's a north-facing conservatory. Seems to work nicely: currently they have their first true leaves growing and are <2" tall.  I'm waiting for a couple more to germinate and then it's the cold frame for them. Should get nice compact plants.

moonbells
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Svea on March 23, 2005, 12:10:10
hmm, when i saw the topic headline i was thinking of something else entirely...:P
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Jesse on March 23, 2005, 14:30:22
Yes Jerry, I've been stroking my seedlings and also blowing at them to imitate a gentle breeze (I must be nuts!). They are doing really well and the stems are quite thick and not leggy at all. My vote is that it works.
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Marianne on March 23, 2005, 22:16:00
I'm glad you said that Svea ! LOL 
That was my first initial thought too  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: tim on March 24, 2005, 10:23:39
Masses about it on the net.

I like the use of paper - more gentle than my hands!

Must get the fan out - thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: aquilegia on March 24, 2005, 10:34:02
How long do you need to do each one for for it to be effective?
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Doris_Pinks on March 24, 2005, 10:59:38
I have been stroking my toms ths year. They are the healthiest looking brood I have ever had....................and are way ahead of the ones I decided not to stroke, just to see what happened. In fact the are so ahead I am beginning to panic they will outgrow my conservatory and it will be too cold to put them in the greenhouse! DP
Aqui I was just running my hands back and forth (twice) over them twice a day
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: aquilegia on March 24, 2005, 11:06:49
Ooh - thanks Doris. I was thinking I'd have to spend the whole evening stroking my seedlings!
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Mimi on March 24, 2005, 11:10:11
Me too. Never did it before I found this site and got the advice from others last year.  Have to say that it does produce a healthier seedling.  Not only stroking them but talking too... Mad Mad yes we are all Mad   ::)  ;) ::)
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Marianne on March 24, 2005, 17:27:35
 ::) mmmmhhhhh!! Well I am going to have a go at it too !!

I heard Charles of Windsor talks to his plants but I didn't know everyone else did it too !!

;D
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: wardy on March 24, 2005, 17:54:54
I've got that The Allotment DVD and there's an old Yemeni guy on there on his allotment, in his very successful looking polytunnel, and he says he visits his plants each morning and has a chat with them and asks them nicely to grow for him  :)  He had a very gentle, soothing voice.  Perhaps that's the key. 

His plants looked fantastic so hey you've nothing to lose
;D

I shall go right now and have another chat with my runty little seedling that's failing to develop
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Debs on March 24, 2005, 18:21:39
Question for DP...

"IS YOU TOM HAPPY WITH THIS COURSE OF ACTION??"

Hee Hee ;D ;D

Debs
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Doris_Pinks on March 24, 2005, 18:45:07
Very!  ;)
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: kitty on March 24, 2005, 20:04:12
oo-wardy?
whats that dvd then and where did you get it please?
stroking?
stroking?????
is this just a gentle passing of the hand over the collective tops or each individual seedling...???

mutter.....got a lot to learn...mutter mutter.....
kitty ;D
x
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: ina on March 24, 2005, 22:00:30
Wasn't it Tim last year who posted pictures of stroked and unstroked seedlings? The difference was remarkable. Tim, if it was you, can you post them again please?
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: kitty on March 24, 2005, 22:06:01
ooo-yes please-i'd like to see the difference!
kitty
x
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: moonbells on March 24, 2005, 23:00:21
Quote from: Marianne on March 24, 2005, 17:27:35
::) mmmmhhhhh!! Well I am going to have a go at it too !!

I heard Charles of Windsor talks to his plants but I didn't know everyone else did it too !!

;D

I like Alan TItchmarsh's take on talking to plants.  He points out that anyone who picks up a plant and chats to it invariably *looks* closely at it, sees if it's got any pests or problems, and does something it if has.  So tends to have healthier plants. Anyone watching would just see someone talking to the greenery, rather than actually taking notice of plant health...

moonbells
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: tim on March 25, 2005, 09:44:35
Sadly, Ina - didn't keep the link.  But I've got my fan in.

Ooh - looks empty - but all the seedlings are this end!!

Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: ina on March 25, 2005, 23:22:59
Looks like you're all set Tim, now some water sprinklers and you'll have wind and rain hehehe.
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: campanula on March 27, 2005, 21:01:39
regarding talking......last year, I had a test trial with three lots of tomatoes - one lot got praised and encouraged ---'ohh look at you in your little green lives' that sort of stuff. The next lot were abused 'useless leggy old sods' and the third lot ignored. Definately, the ones that were talked to were sturdier so I had to conclude that the most important bit was just the actual contact - breathing out lots of helpful carbon dioxide. Yes, I know this is a bit sad, i also did a music test but noticed no  difference - might have been playing wrong stuff though....must set up a trial with folky stuff versus heavy thrash/death metal.....hmmm
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Marianne on March 27, 2005, 21:41:20
I am afraid to say I have started errrmm "stroking" my seedlings yesterday.  If my hubby knew, he would say I am crazy !

However, they have now grown their second set of leaves !  So I reckon.... it works !! :o
:D ;D
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Mrs Ava on March 30, 2005, 23:38:40
I brush my seedlings, not regularly, just as I am passinng through, and I am forever moving the trays about so they do get wiggled and jiggled, and all the time, I am chattering away to them.  This is the saddo saddest of sad things tho....when I go to the greenhouse and see brandnew seedlings appearing in a once baron seed tray, I always welcome them to the world and congratulate them on breaking out!  I shall retire now as the men with white coats have come a-knocking at the door........ ;)
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: Deleted on March 31, 2005, 09:03:45
Not tried stroking, but did wish each of my early seed potatoes good luck as i planted them on Friday (I'll go and lie down...) and congratualted my seedlings this morning for popping through overnight, (where are those tablets...).
Title: Re: Stroking
Post by: legless on March 31, 2005, 12:05:24
i'm always talking to mine [laugh]

will stroke as soon as some have germinated!