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Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: Galette on August 20, 2012, 18:41:26

Title: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Galette on August 20, 2012, 18:41:26
Has anyone any comments about or experience of using [spoiler]Bacillus thuringiensi [/spoiler] for the control of caterpillars on brassicas?
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: davejg on August 20, 2012, 20:30:42
I used it for some years. very good at controlling caterpillars. Then i couldn't find it any where.
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Galette on August 20, 2012, 22:21:24
Quote from: Galette on August 20, 2012, 18:41:26
Has anyone any comments about or experience of using [spoiler]Bacillus thuringiensi [/spoiler] for the control of caterpillars on brassicas?

Thanks davejg.

BTW, why did my original posting do that strange 'spoiler highlight to read' thing.........?
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Galette on August 22, 2012, 16:42:07
Is no-one out there speaking to me ?  :-[
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: grawrc on August 22, 2012, 16:45:07
I don't [spoiler]know[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: grawrc on August 22, 2012, 16:47:17
Actually I do - I was only kidding! You must have clicked on the spoiler button (SP) (Add BBC tags) and then typed in the bacillus thuringiensi.
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Kea on August 22, 2012, 17:04:20
Hi I was wondering that. I helped with some research on it in the 80's and it was like myxomatosis for catepillars. Horrible watching them die slowly in petri dishes all round our lab.
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Galette on August 23, 2012, 15:07:58
Thanks Grawrc, I thought SP was spellcheck, now I see it is at the foot of the page!!

Kea - now here's a dilemma.  I grow my fruit and veg as organically as possible, the only thing I use is occasionally I put slug pellets in those mushroom-shaped things to keep them from birds and pets.  Assuming I could get this in France, would I be safe using it on brassicas, do you remember? As for the moral side - I have quite freely sprayed insecticide on non-food plants and haven't felt too bad at the effects.  Opens up a whole new debate really, how much suffering is felt by these creatures?
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Kea on August 25, 2012, 08:12:04
I think it tends to target caterpillars specifically. I don't know about its safety....might be why its disappeared.
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Galette on August 25, 2012, 11:23:29
Right, thanks Kea.  Certainly needs to be considered carefully.
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: grawrc on August 25, 2012, 12:09:49
I understand that Monsanto [spoiler]the bad guys[/spoiler] use it to genetically modify [spoiler] :o :o :o[/spoiler] plants which then become resistant to their predators and in some cases kill them off.
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Galette on August 25, 2012, 12:49:46
WOW.  That sounds like stuff I want to avoid !
Title: Re: Bacillus thuringiensi
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on August 25, 2012, 18:41:32
There's nothing wrong with using the straight caterpillar disease; it's when it's put into somethng else's DNA that it becomes dodgy.