Do not read this if you don't want to be upset
Who's mind works in this way ??? I heard it was a marital split up or similar.
I still can't get my head around it.
[spoiler]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8906336/Porsche-911-Carrera-driver-held-over-horrific-dog-dragging-death.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8906336/Porsche-911-Carrera-driver-held-over-horrific-dog-dragging-death.html)[/spoiler]
Whoops sorry spoiler don't work on a link
OMG.. :o :'(...that driver does deserve same treatment..being tied up on back of the car and driven away.. >:(
I've sat here looking at Flynn, I still cannot get it into my head how cruel some people can be. This hound of mine would put it's life on the line for me. All he wants is a pat on the head and his tail is wagging.
Here he is being trained by my grandson. (or it could be the other way round) ;D
(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/46037/2122331100062644071S500x500Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2122331100062644071vSgshW)
yes its staggering, the mindset required to arrive at this act by its very nature then qualifies the person for euthansia, as far as i can see. We simply dont want such peopel in our midst.
Quote from: lincsyokel2 on November 22, 2011, 15:50:45
yes its staggering, the mindset required to arrive at this act by its very nature then qualifies the person for euthansia, as far as i can see. We simply dont want such peopel in our midst.
and so say all of us
Quote from: jimtheworzel on November 22, 2011, 16:06:20
Quote from: lincsyokel2 on November 22, 2011, 15:50:45
yes its staggering, the mindset required to arrive at this act by its very nature then qualifies the person for euthansia, as far as i can see. We simply dont want such peopel in our midst.
and so say all of us
Not all of us at all!
Think perspective.... and yes, I am a 2-dogs owner, a 2-cats owner, and keep chickens, fish and grand-kids....
Which is worse? To kill an animal needlessly, or to take the life of a human in retaliation? :'(
Anyone that killed my cat or dog, would be 'dead meat', and I don't care if I get locked up. B.... tards, at least people can fight back. Animals and children are so trusting, so anyone that harms them will have me to deal with, and even if I am an OAP, be very, very frightened of my handbag and my very, very bad temper when it comes to cruelty. >:( >:(
Anyone got his car number, and I can blow it up.
Quote from: Borlotti on November 22, 2011, 16:54:10
Anyone got his car number, and I can blow it up.
Even with him in the car it wouldn't be justice. That evil monster doesn't deserve a quick, easy end. Give him a taste of what he put that poor animal through.
I'm sure all the animal lovers here in Worthing would like to get their hands on him.
Quote from: Nigel B on November 22, 2011, 16:47:27
Not all of us at all!
Think perspective.... and yes, I am a 2-dogs owner, a 2-cats owner, and keep chickens, fish and grand-kids....
Which is worse? To kill an animal needlessly, or to take the life of a human in retaliation? :'(
well said !
I just looked up the sentencing guidelines.
You're not going to like this >:( ...
Starting point 18 weeks custody, reducing to as little as 12 weeks depending on mitigating factors, or going up to 26 weeks depending on aggravating factors (which includes causing the death of the animal).
If he pleads guilty, and pleads in mitigation that he'd had a row with his missus and it's a first offence, I reckon 18 weeks will be the maximum. Which means, of course, 9 actual weeks, less the time he's currently spending in the cells. If he makes a good impression on the beak, and looks suitably remorseful, it could be as little as 12 weeks = 6 actual weeks in our DFS justice system.
Anybody who takes an animal's life needlessly is scum to me.
Afraid they don't fit into the human catergory just blood loving morons.
Suppose the do gooders will put him into therapy cus he was not potty trained properly. >:(
Quote from: Nigel B on November 22, 2011, 16:47:27
Quote from: jimtheworzel on November 22, 2011, 16:06:20
Quote from: lincsyokel2 on November 22, 2011, 15:50:45
yes its staggering, the mindset required to arrive at this act by its very nature then qualifies the person for euthansia, as far as i can see. We simply dont want such peopel in our midst.
and so say all of us
Not all of us at all!
Think perspective.... and yes, I am a 2-dogs owner, a 2-cats owner, and keep chickens, fish and grand-kids....
Which is worse? To kill an animal needlessly, or to take the life of a human in retaliation? :'(
Anyone that can callously and mercilessly kill a dog like this, may well decide if you upset them that he will teach you a lesson and do the same to one of your grandkids. So think on. Do you really want him living near you ?
and if you think people cant be as callous, hers the equivalent with a child
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064819/Magistrate-Rashpal-Chana-met-Queen-guilty-manslaughter.html
Quote from: lincsyokel2 on November 22, 2011, 19:03:04
Anyone that can callously and mercilessly kill a dog like this, may well decide if you upset them that he will teach you a lesson and do the same to one of your grandkids. So think on. Do you really want him living near you ?
and if you think people cant be as callous, hers the equivalent with a child
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064819/Magistrate-Rashpal-Chana-met-Queen-guilty-manslaughter.html
Oh get a grip man!
You'd kill a wo/man because you think they
'might' go on to kill someone else sometime in the future??
Now who's worse? :-X
Good grief! Is it the time of year here, or what?
A whole thread filled with death threats.... and worse.
Of course it's sad. Of course it's an inhumane act. And of course the suffering he caused is almost beyond comprehension.
But you want to actually Kill him?
Think on yourself, yourselves, for goodness sake. ::) Keep your perspective.
Quote from: tonybloke on November 22, 2011, 17:55:08
Quote from: Nigel B on November 22, 2011, 16:47:27
Not all of us at all!
Think perspective.... and yes, I am a 2-dogs owner, a 2-cats owner, and keep chickens, fish and grand-kids....
Which is worse? To kill an animal needlessly, or to take the life of a human in retaliation? :'(
well said !
........... And my faith in humanity is restored. ;)
Thanks Tony. :)
Silly season is upon us again, its started early at work as well. :(
It is about time the law got to grips with animal cruelty.
We ae supposed to be a civilised society and act accordingly and the law should reflect that.
When it comes down to it I don't suppose any of us would kill this person but I would so love to see these pratts locked up for a very long time.
Quote from: betula on November 22, 2011, 20:49:08
It is about time the law got to grips with animal cruelty.
We ae supposed to be a civilised society and act accordingly and the law should reflect that.
When it comes down to it I don't suppose any of us would kill this person but I would so love to see these pratts locked up for a very long time.
I entirely agree. So, given that the maximum sentence is only 6 months = an actual 3 months, how long should he serve. I mean actually serve.
My view is that someone who sets out cruelly to do a pet dog to death should lose at least a year of his liberty. Lack of genuine remorse, repeat offence, gross suffering for the animal, then up to 30 months.
We should remember that carrying a knife without good cause incurs a mandatory 5 year sentence (that is, 30 month's loss of liberty). So you might feel that my suggestion is, if anything, on the light side.
Totally agree with the cruelty, and if the article is correct how many times have animals been used in domestic disputes it happens all the time,'Its not your dog its my dog', but to do what he did then the bloke is a total thingy, running round in a Porsche he is more than likely self employed or loaded and will get some smart brief to plead on his behalf that he did not know it was tied to the car, >:(
5 years at least.5 years locked up.About time we handed out sentences that bite. >:(
Pity they can't confiscate his Porsche and make him pay for having it crushed. That would really hurt!!!
Quote from: betula on November 22, 2011, 22:02:36
5 years at least.5 years locked up.About time we handed out sentences that bite. >:(
And we immediately come to the political elephant in the room - the number of prison places. A few years ago I attempted to calculate the required prison capacity needed to deter crimes of violence against the person, based on a public opinion survey of appropriate sentencing.
At that time the total prison population of England and Wales was under 80,000. I reckoned we would need around 250,000 places for crimes of violence alone, plus whatever capacity was needed for theft, fraud, public disorder etc.
It's a non-trivial calculation, since longer sentences would mean fewer crimes committed by recidivists (since they'd be in the slammer, not on the streets), and presumably there'd be a deterrent effect. Or so we would hope.
So maybe we'd need fewer prison places as violent people became more law-abiding. But there clearly would have to be the political will to multiply prison capacity by a large factor. And the costs would be startling. I think it costs around £40k a year for each prison place. So we're currently spending around three and a half billion pounds a year. (Current prison population E&W just under 90,000)
Can you imagine the reaction to a demand to multiply that by 3?
I don't know what goes on inside prisons..I admit I have the idea,.. not much..that prisoners are on 'holiday'=free to entertain themselves as allowed. Why cannot prisoners made to earn their keeping..some of them have never earned honest living in their life, so it would also work as valuable lesson.
You would think that combining manufacturing/labour, education and earned experience from work would benefit everybody...not just the prisoner. If they don't keep in given timetable (turning up to work place)..they don't eat as they haven't earned their grub.
Less dangerous prisoners could be shifted to farmers fields for the day for crop picking..why not prisons taking on farming themselves..less need for the foreign labour..prison grows their own food..sell the produce to get some money..
If goverment would even try to arrage even one self-sufficient prison as trial case..I'm sure it would be doable with some clever planning.
We have three prison over here, my father was an officer in all three, camphill used to be a farming prison, supplying the other prisons with their crops. I think that has changed now. Some of the low risk prisoners go out in the community and tend old churchyards etc. I don't think it is as easy as depicted in some papers. Parkhurst still has the gallows in place as I think there are still hanging offences. Depriving people of their liberty is a detterent to 99% of the population. Some are incurable criminals and some are there because they have been institutionalised. It is nearly impossible not to break the law nowadays, though some crimes are so trivial they should never get to court. But we do need rules otherwise everything would go to pot.
Here is some inside info
http://www.insidetime.org/info-regimes2.asp?nameofprison=HMP_ISLE_OF_WIGHT_-_CAMP_HILL (http://www.insidetime.org/info-regimes2.asp?nameofprison=HMP_ISLE_OF_WIGHT_-_CAMP_HILL)
Quote from: Mr Smith on November 22, 2011, 21:57:57
running round in a Porsche he is more than likely self employed or loaded and will get some smart brief to plead on his behalf that he did not know it was tied to the car, >:(
What's self employment to do with any of this?
As a comparison, this woman is a pervert at worse , or needs parenting lessons at best
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2065213/Toddlers-Tiaras-Beauty-pageant-mother-slammed-dressing-daughter-Paisley-3-prostitute-ignores-death-threats-puts-fishnet-stockings.html
Quote from: Melbourne12 on November 23, 2011, 07:56:41
Quote from: betula on November 22, 2011, 22:02:36
5 years at least.5 years locked up.About time we handed out sentences that bite. >:(
And we immediately come to the political elephant in the room - the number of prison places. A few years ago I attempted to calculate the required prison capacity needed to deter crimes of violence against the person, based on a public opinion survey of appropriate sentencing.
At that time the total prison population of England and Wales was under 80,000. I reckoned we would need around 250,000 places for crimes of violence alone, plus whatever capacity was needed for theft, fraud, public disorder etc.
It's a non-trivial calculation, since longer sentences would mean fewer crimes committed by recidivists (since they'd be in the slammer, not on the streets), and presumably there'd be a deterrent effect. Or so we would hope.
So maybe we'd need fewer prison places as violent people became more law-abiding. But there clearly would have to be the political will to multiply prison capacity by a large factor. And the costs would be startling. I think it costs around £40k a year for each prison place. So we're currently spending around three and a half billion pounds a year. (Current prison population E&W just under 90,000)
Can you imagine the reaction to a demand to multiply that by 3?
Just make the Holiday Inn's 24 hour, sorry Prisons, illuminate the quarries on Dartmoor and put Prison workshops on twelve hour shifts and lets have a bit of bed hopping to create more Hotel accommodation, but two prisons have been closed this year and nine are going out to private tender for privatisation to make the lags life even more comfortable,
Oh how quick we are to judge. It seems likely that the driver was completely unaware that a dog who had run off while out for a walk had become entagled in his exhaust by it's long lead. Early reports that it was his family dog or had rowed with his wife were wild speculation. They are still trying to trace the owner.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9380757.Driver_claims_A27_dog_ordeal_was_accident/
You'd think we'd learn not to make judgements based solely on the first press reports given the nature of the press here.
I don't believe anything anymore that I read in newspapers, only gossip when its true,
Porsche driver who dragged dog to its death won't face prosecution
A 33-year-old man will not face prosecution after a dog was dragged behind a Porsche for more than six miles before being found dead, police said tonight.
Detectives said they were satisfied that the animal's death was a "tragic accident" and followed an "extremely unusual set of circumstances".
Inquiries revealed that the man arrested inadvertently ran over the dog's lead which became trapped under his car on November 20, Sussex Police said.
The man was detained after a witness spotted a black Porsche Carrera being driven with a dog attached at Devil's d**e beauty spot car park north of Brighton at 10pm.
Half an hour later, the high-powered sports car was seen on the A27 just past the Southwick Tunnel still dragging the dog along.
It then pulled into a lay-by.
When officers from Sussex Police arrived, they found the body of the dead dog, a beagle-collie cross, which they took to a local vet.
The man was arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty after handing himself in to his local police station in Worthing, West Sussex.
But police said he has now been stood down from his bail and no further action will be taken.
Detective Inspector Russ Sheppard, of Sussex Police, said: "Understandably, this sad case has attracted an enormous amount of public interest.
"The initial reports led us to believe that we were dealing with a deliberate incident of animal cruelty so it was quite right that we investigated it thoroughly and quickly appealed for witnesses.
"We have taken into account witness statements, a forensic examination of the car and a post-mortem of the dog and have also liaised with colleagues from the RSPCA.
"We are now satisfied that this was a tragic accident brought about by an extremely unusual set of circumstances, whereby the man inadvertently ran over the dog's lead which became trapped under his car.
"I can understand the emotional impact of this case and wish to make it clear that the arrested man has been stood down from police bail and that no further action will be taken against him."
Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/12/01/porsche-driver-who-dragged-dog-to-its-death-won-t-face-prosecution-115875-23603415/#ixzz1fSs3vYjU
It is still a tragic accident, I stated in my first and second post that I could not got my head around it. Although the outcome is still a sad ending I am glad it was not deliberate.
Coming so soon after the swinging cat incident, I went straight into red rage, even though I could not believe what I was reading. News like this goes viral in this internet age so quickly. But I suppose we will still judge first and repent later. Not like the local rag which is usually read by people who know the full facts.
It doesn't sound like an accident to me. Where was the dog owner during all of this - why was a dog on the public highway with a lead attached with no responsible person present?
Quote from: ceres on December 03, 2011, 14:37:24
It doesn't sound like an accident to me. Where was the dog owner during all of this - why was a dog on the public highway with a lead attached with no responsible person present?
The dog was apparently trailing one of those extendible leads, obviously having escaped his owner. The driver missed the dog and was unaware that the lead was still half way across the road when he drove over it and it got caught on his exhaust. The owner hasn't come forward.
The owner has been identified. His name is mentioned in other press articles and he has apparently been talking about the incident on Facebook. Maybe the car driver can recover from him the cost of any repairs to his car and compensation for the living hell I'm sure he has been subjected to since the story broke.
I can't figure out how a dog lead would get caught up in a car exhaust.
Surely it would be trailing on the floor.
So to add to the dog owners hell you would like to see him /her paying out
for so called repairs to the car.Great......all heart.
How the heck you would not see a dog attached to your car beats me.
Beats me how you would! I for one cannot see my exhaust in my rear view mirror.
presume you could see the outside of your car before you get in...........if you tell me it happened while he was driving I would laugh me socks off.
Who checks around their car every time they drive off, or the dog could have run under the car just as he drove off, the possibilities are endless.
I once drove off with my mothers cat on the roof, I guess it jumped on after I had got in the car, I had only done about 200 meters before I had to stop to see why I was getting so many strange looks.
Quote"Detective Inspector Russ Sheppard said:.................. We have taken into account witness statements, a forensic examination of the car and a post mortem of the dog and have also liaised with colleagues from the RSPCA. We are now satisfied that this was tragic accident brought about by an extremely unusual set of circumstances, whereby the man inadvertently ran over the dog's lead which became trapped under his car.
http://www.sussex.police.uk/news-and-events/news/2011/12/01/no-further-action-in-dog-death-case (http://www.sussex.police.uk/news-and-events/news/2011/12/01/no-further-action-in-dog-death-case)
No apologies from anyone then for jumping to the wrong conclusion and jumping on the lock him up bandwagon, silly season is still with us and will stay until peeps get back on their plots. :P
Reading back, fair do's to ACE, Kev, ya gotta accept that. 8)
Chris Jefferies springs to mind.
So, he's not a scumbag after all then. Who would have guessed.
Could still be a scumbag for all we know! :P
Fact is we just don't know.Still we've stopped putting people in the stocks at least. ;)
Not if alf this lot had their way, I just hope jury service never comes their way. :-X :(
Quote from: cornykev on December 04, 2011, 17:58:41
I just hope jury service never comes their way. :-X :(
Amen to that Kev! :o
Quote from: cornykev on December 04, 2011, 17:58:41
Not if alf this lot had their way, I just hope jury service never comes their way. :-X :(
God help us if they bring back hanging. ::)
Quote from: ACE on November 22, 2011, 15:14:07
Do not read this if you don't want to be upset
Who's mind works in this way ??? I heard it was a marital split up or similar.
I still can't get my head around it.
[spoiler]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8906336/Porsche-911-Carrera-driver-held-over-horrific-dog-dragging-death.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8906336/Porsche-911-Carrera-driver-held-over-horrific-dog-dragging-death.html)[/spoiler]
I apologise for believing what I read in the Telegraph.
One down a dozen + to go. :P ;)
Quote from: Froglegs on December 04, 2011, 22:23:04
Quote from: cornykev on December 04, 2011, 17:58:41
Not if alf this lot had their way, I just hope jury service never comes their way. :-X :(
God help us if they bring back hanging. ::)
Just for clarity, it's the judge, not the jury, who determines the punishment.
I would lock anybody up on a Monday :P