thought point this great revelation to you all since i have been preaching this advice for several years.
it has been discovered by a contributor to the British garden magazine."Grow Your Own Magazine" that none suckered tomato plants produce more tomatoes.
but poor me, I knew this all along now some British(no offense to those of you who are British )person thinks they discovered something well known in USA for many years.
thought I should point this out to you all so you all now know the truth.
I can wait till this person learns the critical mass ripening rule that certain varieties have.
In other worded they need to produce certain number green fruit before they start produce ripe fruit.
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I don't understand what a non suckered plant is?
SO if there is a critical mass, does that mean that by taking off some early green fruit, the others will ripen more?
antipodes a "non suckered plant" is tomato plant that has not had it's suckers
removed.
critical mass means the same as it means in physics you need a certain amount of the thing in question before the reaction you you want happens.
In other words you might need 50 green tomato on the plant before any of the tomatoes start to ripen.
Aw, bless you Plainleaf/Grid Gardener.
I think you have misinterpreted the point of the thread to which you refer [or did refer until it was removed] however.
a - I didn't discover a new method - I did it to prove to another member of that forum who doubted my assertions a year ago. And I proved him/her wrong.
b - I am Canadian.
Loving your work though - misunderstood as usual.
by suckers do you mean the growth between the joints of stem and branch
Yes, the sideshoots [armpits].
I've never referred to them as suckers #just saying like.
Do you mean "Remove the side-shoots"? That's normal practice, isn't it? (At least, in the 40-plus years I've been growing tomatoes, I've never not done it.)
brown thumb yes that is correct. (sucker) is the term most often used describe
Quote from: brown thumb on October 13, 2011, 20:23:41
by suckers do you mean the growth between the joints of stem and branch
tomato armpit is new term of recent origin.
the term sucker go back at least to 1860's
since I have seen several descriptions of the use of term in newspaper article
that far back.
I have 9 Sungolds which I have not been able to keep under control due to their position, and one which I regularly remove side shoots from. The 9 have produced lots of very small fruit, but the sideshooted one has produced more and of a much larger size.
(I've never heard side shoots called 'armpits' before - it's enough to put me off eating tomatoes) ;)
Quote from: Trevor_D on October 13, 2011, 20:33:35
Do you mean "Remove the side-shoots"? That's normal practice, isn't it? (At least, in the 40-plus years I've been growing tomatoes, I've never not done it.)
Yes, that's the point.
I'll explain.
I had a spat last year with someone who told me that removing the side shoots would reduce yield. As I was growing in several schools, and two were merging into 1 - I wanted to grow bush toms so that we could easily move them and I wondered what would happen to vine toms if the shoots were not removed over the summer hols. Thanks to JayB on here, as well as the seed circle, I had lots of bush toms but I really did want to try and see what happened if you grew vine toms and didn't remove the side shoots.
So, I put 4 'end of season' plants into the ground at a community garden that I also garden in. These went in during July. They then got left, and in Sept there were loads and loads of fruit on them. Many many more than I have ever got from 'sideshooted' or armpitted vines. At the time, there was so much foliage that you couldn't see how many plants there were. I knew I hadn't put many in but it looked like there were about 10 plants - and it turns out there were 4 - one of each variety. They were PW's French Black, Falcon, Purple Russian and Franchi's Pear. Me, the guys at the community place and other students have all had loads, and I chopped the lot back on Monday as a few were showing signs of blight. Hence my surprise that there were only 4 plants.
Plainleaf seems to have taken umbridge at me sharing this with people. No idea why.
Quote from: Squash64 on October 13, 2011, 20:40:47
I have 9 Sungolds which I have not been able to keep under control due to their position, and one which I regularly remove side shoots from. The 9 have produced lots of very small fruit, but the sideshooted one has produced more and of a much larger size.
(I've never heard side shoots called 'armpits' before - it's enough to put me off eating tomatoes) ;)
Aye, but these were never sideshooted. I don't want to get into an argument - I didn't post this on here - I just wanted to share this with my friends on another forum. That is all.
squash you made me giggle Dont you fancy a cheese and tomato sarnie ;)
aj 1. sorry calling you British
2. don't mind would/could pm me a link to the original thread that you are try to prove the person in question wrong.
3. I was not taking umbridge I was basically saying god someone in the uk final gets it.
4. If you want more info about the early start method I will tell you on one condition. you post the method in total on the grapevine.
and credit me being your source of the info.
brown thumb
Quote from: brown thumb on October 13, 2011, 20:51:15
squash you made me giggle Dont you fancy a cheese and tomato sarnie ;)
at least give the earl his do and call it a sandwich
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 20:52:59
aj 1. sorry calling you British
2. don't mind would/could pm me a link to the original thread that you are try to prove the person in question wrong.
3. I was not taking umbridge I was basically saying god someone in the uk final gets it.
4. If you want more info about the early start method I will tell you on one condition. you post the method in total on the grapevine.
and credit me being your source of the info.
Actually, I have absolutely no need of anything in any shape or form from you. If you want something, try the search button. I like to do my own research and trials and am more than happy to share them. There is absolutely no reason to send unsolicited PMs to me and I will never be answering them so you are wasting your time.
Now, if you don't mind, I have a humungous pan of passata [tomato sauce] to reduce down thanks to this lovely method of growing tomatoes.
No one has mentioned the two types of tomato plants though Indeterminate which you armpit and determinate do not.
Quote from: daveyboi on October 13, 2011, 20:58:47
No one has mentioned the two types of tomato plants though Indeterminate which you armpit and determinate do not.
This is the point. They were vine/indeterminate tomatoes that were just left to grow with no intervention.
Quote from: brown thumb on October 13, 2011, 20:51:15
squash you made me giggle Dont you fancy a cheese and tomato sarnie ;)
Not now I've got this picture of hairy armpits in my mind....... :o
Underarm pleaseeeeeeeeeeee :o
Quote from: Squash64 on October 13, 2011, 21:05:08
Quote from: brown thumb on October 13, 2011, 20:51:15
squash you made me giggle Dont you fancy a cheese and tomato sarnie ;)
Not now I've got this picture of hairy armpits in my mind....... :o
;D
You know about the sideshoots/armpits rerooting and making new plants now, don't you?
aj i guess daveyboi can't read.
since that was the whole point.
your one who wanted the early start info on grape vine.
if don't want it that up to you
Quote from: aj on October 13, 2011, 21:07:57
Quote from: Squash64 on October 13, 2011, 21:05:08
Quote from: brown thumb on October 13, 2011, 20:51:15
squash you made me giggle Dont you fancy a cheese and tomato sarnie ;)
Not now I've got this picture of hairy armpits in my mind....... :o
;D
You know about the sideshoots/armpits rerooting and making new plants now, don't you?
Yes, I've rooted sideshoots before and had good results.
The thought of armpits rerooting is making me feel a little queasy.......
LOL@Betty ;D
:D
Bless.
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 21:09:31
aj i guess daveyboi can't read.
since that was the whole point.
your one who wanted the early start info on grape vine.
if don't want it that up to you
What ARE you talking about? I have been starting toms early for years now. ::)
to clarify cordon/vining/indeterminate tomato varieties do not need side shoots/suckers/armpits removed and not removing them gives you greater fruit production.
for those who still don't understand picture diagrams might be your only hope.
Well I've just googled 'tomato armpits' and now I've got pictures of SWEATY hairy armpits in my mind.
I love tomatoes - can we abandon the armpits please?
aj do to a search on grapevine and you will find your answer.
by early start i mean seed starting dec 15
plant out side around feb 15.
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 21:16:22
to clarify cordon/vining/indeterminate tomato varieties do not need side shoots/suckers/armpits removed and not removing them gives you greater fruit production.
for those who still don't understand picture diagrams might be your only hope.
HELP US OB1 - you're our only hope.
::) ::) ::)
Squash64 don't blame me Aj is the one who came up with armpit term
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 21:19:43
aj do to a search on grapevine and you will find your answer.
by early start i mean seed starting dec 15
plant out side around feb 15.
Plainleaf - seriously - leave it out. I'm not interested in dating you. I have an OH. He is 'top banana' as they say. I'm very happy. 8)
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 21:21:22
Squash64 don't blame me Aj is the one who came up with armpit term
I'm not 'blaming' anyone, I'm just asking if we could lose the armpits.
Quote from: Squash64 on October 13, 2011, 21:18:07
Well I've just googled 'tomato armpits' and now I've got pictures of SWEATY hairy armpits in my mind.
I love tomatoes - can we abandon the armpits please?
Google can sometimes be your enemy, not your friend.
I'm afraid that armpits have to stay - it's a very good tactic to get kids interested in gardening - add that to the fact that...actually, no - I'm not going there, you might pass out if armpits was making you queasy.
aj you think to much of yourself
since have no interested you at all.
besides the point in question and that is matter about tomato Olericulture.
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 21:29:13
aj you think to much of yourself
since have no interested you at all.
besides the point in question and that is matter about tomato Olericulture.
May I remind you who posted this thread to get my attention?
I am comfortable with all aspects of my tomatoes - they are all nice and juicy and perfect. Thanks for the offer but I'm just not interested in your 'olericulture' or whatever you call it over the pond.
guess i picked word to big for you Aj
Olericulture is the science of vegetable growing, dealing with the culture of non-woody (herbaceous) plants for food.
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 21:38:24
guess i picked word to big for you Aj
Olericulture is the science of vegetable growing, dealing with the culture of non-woody (herbaceous) plants for food.
I am not interested. If you want to tutor someone, get the yellow pages out. Or look in the inside of a phone booth.
plainleaf please - when you copy text from internet sources, please provide a link to the source website. Thank you!
QuoteOlericulture is the science of vegetable growing, dealing with the culture of non-woody (herbaceous) plants for food.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olericulture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olericulture)
ceres pumpkinlover scalded me for doing that in the OP of this thread.
including a link.
No - a link to a different forum was removed. Pumpkinlover explained that to you.
Copying material from someone else's website is a copyright matter. Short portions can be copied under the fair use policy but it must be attributed back to the owner with a link and not passed off as your own intellectual property.
Quote from: plainleaf on October 13, 2011, 21:48:50
ceres pumpkinlover scalded me for doing that in the OP of this thread.
including a link.
That's because you linked to another forum.
Anyway - it's been fun but the passata is all sorted, the pan is soaking and I'm off for a hot bath.
Glad you still have the ability to cut and paste from Wiki, what with only the use of one hand. That's a nice touch.