Im curious to know if anyone else is into Gregorian Chant/Plainsong
I sometimes stick it on, its very relaxing.
This sort of thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?fmt=18&gl=DE&hl=de&v=LJEfyZSvg5c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?fmt=18&gl=DE&hl=de&v=LJEfyZSvg5c)
This is a chant wrutten by a nun in about 1100 AD. I bet she'd be staggered to know her music was still being performed nearly a thousand years later.
Do Led Zeppelin do a cover version ? ? ? ??? Just askin'. 8) Cheers, Tony.
I went to a convent school and we often sang plainsong in the choir for the many, many services in the convent church. I loved it - particularly with the acoustics in a church or cathedral.
Loved Led Zeppelin too but after school and at weekends! ;)
It's lovely.... I can feel the cool, calm of lofty ceilings and solid stone.
Quite beautiful.. open views across the countryside.... sometimes I really enjoy the chance to think and be alone.
Haven't the foggiest what the words mean but the sound is........
.................now you've got me reaching for my CD "Favourite Gregorian" :)
We love Gregorian chant, and have a collection of it on vinyl and CD.
beautiful,thankyou for sharing :)
Living quite liteally in the shadow of our beautiful cathedral,I can pop in any time and hear wonderful music.
We have a super choir and I think we are going to be broadcast live on radio 4 at Christmas time.
We have a lot of visiting orchestras and a good tip for you.............pop in on the afternoon of the performance and you can sit and listen to the rehearsals for free.
Where is that betula?
(No clues from your profile as far as I can see)
Well the three finest Cathedrals in the land are Westminster Abbey, St Pauls and Lincoln Cathedral, with York Minster in fourth place.
So he must live in York, Westminster, Lincoln or City of London 8)
Quote from: lincsyokel2 on October 02, 2011, 20:23:53
Well the three finest Cathedrals in the land are Westminster Abbey, St Pauls and Lincoln Cathedral, with York Minster in fourth place.
So he must live in York, Westminster, Lincoln or City of London 8)
I still like our "local"... Chichester. :)
And he is a she ;D
Quote from: betula on October 02, 2011, 20:30:23
And he is a she ;D
I always think "They" is usually a safe bet when "he" or "she" is unknown. ;) ;D
Lincoln Cathederal is falling apart. They discovered a few years ago that the flying buttresses that were supposed to be holding up one end of the Octagon Choir
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/2308093780_7b2184c014.jpg)
wernt actually attached to anything. Then they discovered the Rose Window in the West End
(http://www.campbell-fine-art.com/u/pp/warlow.rosewindowlincoln.jpg)
was only staying upright and in its frame by the grace of god, and had do some emergency repairs.
Cathedrals may be magificent structures, but Lincoln was one of the first to be built, and they were making it up as they went along, there was no previous knowledge about building structures that big in staone. Theres record of it partially falling down several times during the 100 years it took to build it. Not to mention dozens of masons and carpenters killed and injured.
But imagine starting work on a building that you worked on all your life, then your son did, then your grandson did, and it wasnt finished until your great grandson was working on it. (mind you, some modern local government projects are like that....)
These wonderful ancient buildings are never finished.
Work is constantly going on to keep them safe for the nation.
Chichester cathedral's sticky-up-bit also collapsed at some stage and had to be rebuilt. Recent work has seen the poshing-up outside stone sandblasted to clean it. Lovely colour now!
The main spire at Lincoln used to be 525 feet high, it was in fact the highest structure in the world at that point, surpassing the Pyramid of Cheops in 1311 AD, until lightning struck it and it burnt up and fell down in 1549 AD. There was other points between 1150 ADand 1525 AD when it partially collapsed.
Even now, if you stand on the top of the spire on either of the remaining towers and look east, the next point on the planet thats the same height as you is the Ural Mountians in Russia.
OMG when we were at school we HAD to go to a full song mass every first Friday of the month.
We hated it and every one sung the plain chant out of tune deliberately.
In the end there was not a priest who would conduct a mass for our school. (we were ever so upset)
Every so often there would be a young priest who was about to finnish his training who came to the school to talk to the girls. At the end of his visit he would hear confessions.
Well, you can imagine the confessions a group of teenager girls could put together.
Sadly the school I went to no longer exists. (Not so sad to be honest) I would rather send my girls to St Trinnians it is much more sophisticated.
Quote from: lincsyokel2 on October 03, 2011, 00:06:22
The main spire at Lincoln used to be 525 feet high, it was in fact the highest structure in the world at that point, surpassing the Pyramid of Cheops in 1311 AD, until lightning struck it and it burnt up and fell down in 1549 AD. There was other points between 1150 ADand 1525 AD when it partially collapsed.
Even now, if you stand on the top of the spire on either of the remaining towers and look east, the next point on the planet thats the same height as you is the Ural Mountians in Russia.
Very nice if you don't mind heights :P
The wonder of the internet... Is there a web-cam up there? ;)
Durham cathedral in one of the most beautiful buildings built by the Normans in 1098.
Quote from: claybasket on October 03, 2011, 19:32:42
Durham cathedral in one of the most beautiful buildings built by the Normans in 1098.
(http://www.historic-uk.com/DestinationsUK/DurhamCathedral.jpg)
pssht no comparision, Lincoln is twice the size, taller spire, etc. We even have a few kinsg buried there and of course one of the original copies of the Magna Carta
(http://www.photosofchurches.com/images/England/Lincolnshire,%20Lincoln%20Cathedral%20from%20the%20South%20West.jpg)
The even filmed the Da Vinci code at Lincoln because it looked like the original location, Westminster Abbey, because they wouldnt allow filming there.
Chichester Cathedral has one of these CLICK (http://www.chichestercathedral.org.uk/dyn/pages/about-us/panoramic_tour/) and you can have a good nose round from a distance.
How about Durham and Lincoln?
links2,Lincoln cathedral is beautiful,and dose have a copy of the Magna Carta,I do not disagree and I have seen the cathedral awhile ago,and many more ,Durham Cathedral has quite a good pedigree also,it has three copys of the Magna Carta,the shrine of St Cuthbert ,and is a unesco site also,have you seen it youself?
Also Durham has the tomb of the venerable Bede. The cathedral is a remarkable place, but not knowing Lincoln I couldn't compare the two.
The family and I were once visiting Durham when a wedding was taking place. The main body of the cathedral was cordoned off, but to this day I remember the bride and groom walking back up the aisle at the end to Widor's toccata, all the visitors applauding and, being a bell ringer myself, hearing the bells ringing out over the town.
Thanks for that Suek,it must have been lovely seeing that wedding, I used to live 6miles away for Durham city many times it would be pouring a rain when we left home,we got to the top of this hill that took us down in to Durham ,the sky would have a hole in the black clouds and the sun would beem on that wee city,I used to say that God like Durham,the sun is always shining there.
lol, this is the first 'my cathedral is better than your cathedral' argument ive ever been in.................
Quote from: claybasket on October 04, 2011, 04:39:52
Durham Cathedral has quite a good pedigree also,it has three copys of the Magna Carta,
This baffles me.
Thers only four copies of the original 1215 charter exist , held at Lincoln Cathedral, Salisbury Cathedral and two at the British Library.
Are you sure they arent copies of copies of the original 1215 charter or copies of the 1225 or 1297 Charters ?
I know The City of London Corporation has a 1297 charter.
If you want to read whats in it, heres a translation
http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/MagnaCarta.html
Now, the Freemen On The Land will maintain that all the clauses in there still apply and take precedence over any statute, whereas parliament will tell you most of the clauses have been superseded and/or written into Statute Law (its a very complicated legal argument) . No one is willing to test this proposition, because if it turns out Magna Carta stands as is, then every statute law passed since then may be invalid or illegal..............There was a interesting development when a group of guys were threatening to invoke Clause 61, the right to hold a Barons Court and try the Queen for treason (because she signed the six treaties that got us into the EU, contrary to several clauses in Magna Carta), and that looked promising for a while, but then silence, nothing. Id be interested to know what happened there.
I once went for a Geological tours of Durham fascinating where and how all the rocks orginated. The thought of how such builtings were built interests me as well. It was not until I visited Istanbul that I discovered what had filled the gap between the fall of Rome and the great Medieval Cathedrals.
When did Westminster Abbey become a cathedral? Westminster Cathedral is down the road.
My daughter played in a concert in Gloucester Cathedral, lovely accoustics, lovely atmosphere, pity about the lack of heating.
Lincolnshire has a seam of luminous limestone running throughout it, and many of the building in the county are built from it. They even found the site of the Mediaeval quarry the stone used in the Cathedral came from, to the east of the city, so now when they fix it they're using the same stuff.
The germans never bombed Lincoln Cathedral for this reason, it could be seen on the horizon in moonlight a hundred and fifty miles away at 15,000 feet altitude and was used as a navigation waypoint for german bombers.
Quote from: Digeroo on October 04, 2011, 10:43:25
I once went for a Geological tours of Durham fascinating where and how all the rocks orginated. The thought of how such builtings were built interests me as well. It was not until I visited Istanbul that I discovered what had filled the gap between the fall of Rome and the great Medieval Cathedrals.
When did Westminster Abbey become a cathedral? Westminster Cathedral is down the road.
My daughter played in a concert in Gloucester Cathedral, lovely accoustics, lovely atmosphere, pity about the lack of heating.
Hi Digeroo... I don't have all the ecclesiastical history to hand... but "WestMinster Cathedral" is the Catholic Cathedral.. Westminster Abbey is a much older foundation. I don't know when it got a Bishop (Cathedra is the Bishop's Chair) but Like York Minster not all old cathedrals are known by that name..
lincs,will you look up the wikipedia,Durham cathedral,that were I read about the three copies of the Magna Carta were,Bye the way this is not about who's got the biggest spiral and the best cathedral,but a mear observation about how beautiful these buildings are don't you think so?
Quote from: claybasket on October 04, 2011, 16:01:26
lincs,will you look up the wikipedia,Durham cathedral,that were I read about the three copies of the Magna Carta were,Bye the way this is not about who's got the biggest spiral and the best cathedral,but a mear observation about how beautiful these buildings are don't you think so?
Yep!!
I can see Chichester Cathedral from my bedroom window and, if I look out of the front window, our local church. (I'm not saying either is the best.... just rather lovely old buildings). ;)
York Minster, anyone? ;D
or Canterbury?..... or even St David's!
Others that spring to mind are Liverpool Anglican (the largest/heaviest ring of bells hung for ringing in the world - appreciate that may not be everyone's thing, I don't remember the building being up to much) and also Liverpool RC, which has wonderful stained glass.
I'm afraid that York Minster lost it for me when it started charging. :(
Quote from: claybasket on October 04, 2011, 16:01:26
lincs,will you look up the wikipedia,Durham cathedral,that were I read about the three copies of the Magna Carta were,Bye the way this is not about who's got the biggest spiral and the best cathedral,but a mear observation about how beautiful these buildings are don't you think so?
There are five Charter versions that constitute Magna Carta
The first charter, the 1215, is the original, and the one everyone knows about, and only exists in 4 copies.
The second charter, the 1216, and the third charter, 1217, the fourth is 1225, and the last revision, 1297, is not known how many copies were made, but 13 copies are known to exist of the revisions.
of the 1215 Charter, the four copies are at Lincoln, Salisbury and two copies at the British Library museum. This is corroborated by the British Library, a more reliable source than Wikipedia................
http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/document/index.html
http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/basics/basics.html
According to
http://www.ehow.com/list_6534165_magna-carta-primary-resources.html
QuoteThirteen later versions of the Magna Carta also survive. Durham Cathedral owns copies of the 1216, 1217 and 1225 versions. Overseas, copies of the 1297 version are on display at Australia's Parliament House in Canberra and at the U.S. National Archives in Washington, D.C.
So as I said, four copies of the original survive, What Durham has are revised versions of the originals, as I said.
Quote from: SueK on October 04, 2011, 22:20:00
Others that spring to mind are Liverpool Anglican (the largest/heaviest ring of bells hung for ringing in the world - appreciate that may not be everyone's thing, I don't remember the building being up to much) and also Liverpool RC, which has wonderful stained glass.
I'm afraid that York Minster lost it for me when it started charging. :(
yes Lincoln cathedral charges except on Sunday Mornings.