Well what do we reckon? Should these honest hardworking travelling folk stay on their site defying the planning regs, or should they be hoofed off to go back on the road, which is something a lot of them believe in anyway. All that land they have and not a veg garden in sight. Just concrete and tarmac.
I'm with the turfing them out camp and while we are at it, check the rent a mob crowd to see if they are on job seekers allowances, because they ain't exactly job seeking at the moment are they.
I'm with ACE on this one. Why should they be allowed to not pay their way like tax paying normal folk. They proclaim they want to be treated the same as anyone else yet they avoid rules and regulations that us law abiding people adhere to. Can't have it both ways!!
Julie
Had to take a Valium before typing this, but I agree with Ace.
I don't know the ins and outs. I have heard that it is only part of the site that is illegal and it is a former scrap metal site, which might explain the lack of green.
The 'activists' should all be arrested for breach of the peace.
Quote from: ACE on September 19, 2011, 08:59:28
Well what do we reckon? Should these honest hardworking travelling folk stay on their site defying the planning regs, or should they be hoofed off to go back on the road, which is something a lot of them believe in anyway. All that land they have and not a veg garden in sight. Just concrete and tarmac.
I'm with the turfing them out camp and while we are at it, check the rent a mob crowd to see if they are on job seekers allowances, because they ain't exactly job seeking at the moment are they.
Good old Job Seekers Allowance eh? If there are riots or crowd disturbances at all, let's go for those on JSA. Spot a crime in progress? The offenders must be on benefits eh? Read something you don't like in the Daily Heil? Probably benefits scroungers............
Get a grip Ace. Believe it or not, not every wrongdoer is on the dole.
To many people who come to this country for some reason think the rules of the land should not apply to them. My understanding is that many of the people on that site own property in Ireland. I bet they have to pay their rates etc there. As for these activists, arrest them and ship them out to somewhere like Somalia, they might appreciate the UK if they ever make it back. To many people worry to much about what they don't have instead of being grateful for what they have. I'm with Ace on this. Rant over.
We are joint owners with other family members of a 20 acre site in Malvern.
What is left of a cousin's farm.
Planning permission.....not bloody likely ::)
Maybe we should barricade ourselves in and build the house of our dreams. :o
Quote from: Nigel B on September 19, 2011, 11:08:47
Good old Job Seekers Allowance eh? If there are riots or crowd disturbances at all, let's go for those on JSA. Spot a crime in progress? The offenders must be on benefits eh? Read something you don't like in the Daily Heil? Probably benefits scroungers............
Get a grip Ace. Believe it or not, not every wrongdoer is on the dole.
I would read it again if I was you. Job seekers allowance should mean just that, go and seek for a job. If you are otherwise engaged come off of it and stop taking the working tax payers money. I also said 'check to see' and aimed my concerns at job seekers not all benefit claimers.
I wondered for a while if you were a claiment yourself and felt the need the support your brothers, fair play if you are and actively seeking work
I have never had to claim for being out of work, don't call me lucky, I made sure I would never be in that position. Even when I was supposed to be un-employable due to being deemed disabled by the authorities. I found a job I could do.
how does a Traveller's Site have Residents?
Isn't it just a Housing Estate for people with caravans?
2 posts on this have been moved so far - unfortunately the person who posted them's inbox is full so we haven't been able to tell him why (although he should know). Everyone is entitled to their opinions - but let's not start calling people names.
p.s. Is anyone else getting the advert at the bottom for a "huge range of garden cabins"?
Quote from: OllieC on September 19, 2011, 16:46:41
p.s. Is anyone else getting the advert at the bottom for a "huge range of garden cabins"?
I needed planning for a Garden cabin, but was alright with a caravan
Quote from: OllieC on September 19, 2011, 16:46:41
p.s. Is anyone else getting the advert at the bottom for a "huge range of garden cabins"?
No Ollie, but I got one for some flower show in Bavaria for single orchids.
I've got it Ollie... ???
Ollie
I've been getting that advert ever since posting that I was getting a new shed - about 2 years ago :D
On topic, sorry folks you have had your fun now move on.
Just for once it should be one rule for all.
Off topic. Compensation for a cycling accident advert ??? I haven't been hit while cycling yet :) Do they know something I don't ???
Turf them out, cant possibly be travellers if you stay in one place and i dare say that most of the houses wont ever move,
If i tried to set up home in a field the local authorities would bulldoze it down in a few days, why should they be treated any differently from me.
Trespassers on your land?
Simply instruct our team of expert bailiffs to oversee their removal
www.enforcementofficers.co.uk
Muck spreaders work too if you have access to them and don't mind making a mess ;)
Well the high court has given them more time.
I think it's a sorry tale turned into accusations of ethnic cleansing etc.
I'd say it was simply we are all different but are bound by rules that we should all follow.
Sadly locally when "travellers" have stayed there have been several reports of lawbreaking and generally anti social behaviour,so just their mention is greeted with a groan.
A couple of years ago we wandered down to our sea front to watch a display by the Red Arrows (FAB) parking was a nightmare and we saw a handful of very bright shiny travellers vans parking on the beach lawns.When a couple of "non" travellers tried to do the same,just to watch the display they were told to move.One chap pointed to the traveller vans and said "what about those ?" and was told "oh no they're travellers 'can't move them on "
and they stayed for 2 weeks,when asked by the local press they said they were on holiday !!!
'you couldn't make it up could you.
Can't help smiling at the thought that the cemented in rentamob are going to have an uncomfortable night. ;D ;D
They wouldn't be able to do this in Ireland where most of them are from, I was over in Cork in 1983 there was a load of caravans parked on a verge not far from Cork airport I spotted these as I went in to Cork returning about an hour later the Gardi were there with tractors towing the vans onto the road and a JCB was digging a trench to prevent them from being able to park there again.
Last month in Leicestershire we had a contingent of French travellers camping on the roundabout at jct 21 of the M1, have they never heard of Lay-bys, :)
Quote from: ACE on September 19, 2011, 14:17:04
Quote from: Nigel B on September 19, 2011, 11:08:47
Good old Job Seekers Allowance eh? If there are riots or crowd disturbances at all, let's go for those on JSA. Spot a crime in progress? The offenders must be on benefits eh? Read something you don't like in the Daily Heil? Probably benefits scroungers............
Get a grip Ace. Believe it or not, not every wrongdoer is on the dole.
I would read it again if I was you. Job seekers allowance should mean just that, go and seek for a job. If you are otherwise engaged come off of it and stop taking the working tax payers money. I also said 'check to see' and aimed my concerns at job seekers not all benefit claimers.
I wondered for a while if you were a claiment yourself and felt the need the support your brothers, fair play if you are and actively seeking work
I have never had to claim for being out of work, don't call me lucky, I made sure I would never be in that position. Even when I was supposed to be un-employable due to being deemed disabled by the authorities. I found a job I could do.
Y'know Ace, there's not much that
pisses bores a disabled gardener off more than the overproud boasting of one of life's 'lucky' people. One can
never make sure of their health. Some are lucky, some not.
That aside your casual, if expected, remarks about people that have a perfect right to peaceful protest by inferring they are on jsa, or that one should "check to see" suggest you don't seem to have accepted people's right to peaceful assembly, without harassment from the authorities.
Who should demand to see their papers? The police? You?
This country used to have room for all of societies 'misfits' or those that live a little differently to the 'Norm', whatever that is.
We really have become a nation populated by people that care not for others, NIMBY's rule, it seems.
P.S.
We don't claim benefits either.
This country is too soft these days.
If one does it we should all be allowed to do it.............. ::)
An easy way out of the Traveller problem in Eire was for the Irish government to provided new caravans and vehicles for Travellers to, 'Come over the water', and dump themselves on the Great British taxpayer, I'm not going to call them names because I think most of us who are grown up know what this lot from 'Over the water' are all about, my sympathies go with the people Basildon and the surrounding area of Essex, good riddance and shove off back 'Over the water',
I'm not sure where I stand on this story, as there are so many stories around it's hard to know what to believe, but I do know this:
1. The travellers own the land.
2. The tarmac and concrete was there before they moved in, so it's not very green "green belt"
3. £18m to move them off doesn't seem like the best use of the council's money.
Yes but we are prevented from doing anything at all about them, and having to suffer them walking all over us and taking the piss by a combination of looney left and liberal tree huggers and the insidious EU Court, the ECHR and the evil Human Rights Act thats has turned justice and common sense upside down and given perpatrators of crimes more right than victims and the State. Its high time all three were told to sling there hook and we take control of our country again.
We will always have this problem as long as the bleeding hert liberals have a grip on power. The solution is to stop voting Lib Dem or Labour.
@caroline7758
1. Just because you own land doesnt mean you can build on it. Thats what Planning Permission is about.
2. They had planning permission to build 25 pitches on half the field. They then proceeded to lay out 68 pitches. You do not know when or who laid the concrete on the illegal half. It may well have been a field with hardstanding for the farmers machinery, for example (you see plenty round Lincolnshire), but thats not an invitation to build an illegal housing estate just because you buy the field.
3. £18M is worth it to preserve the rule of law, because once you have lost this battle, peopel will build where ever they like and know they can get away with it. Commo nsense tells most of us you cant have a building free for all, otherwise all our beauty spots, allotments and national parks will soon be turned into housing estates.
QuoteCommo nsense tells most of us you cant have a building free for all, otherwise all our beauty spots, allotments and national parks will soon be turned into housing estates.
ain't that exactly what the Right Wing are suggesting?
Now just to get this straight, because I had the audacity to suggest that some of the peaceful demonstrators could be on Jobseekers allowances and as such should really be job seeking instead of protesting. I am deemed gullible enough to believe all that is printed in some of our more dubious newspapers, I am accused of calling every benefit claimant a criminal,I am also accused of being against people having the right to holding a peaceful protest. There is also a good chance I could be a NIMBY
Just to put the record straight, I have no problem with job seekers signing off for the day and supporting worthy causes, but I resent the public purse being spent on job seekers who are not actively job seeking. I expect a lot of these protesters believe in what they are doing. I would say they have been mislead themselves, but if that is what they want to do good luck to them. Just sign off for the day is all I ask.
Just as every person guilty or not, are subject to on the spot searches for drink driving, terrorism, drugs, guns etc. I see no problem asking if they are on job seekers benefits and have they signed off for the day.
This whole situation has been badly handled from the start and the local council should have put their foot down to start with, not leave it for 10 years. But I suspect they listened to the bleeding hearts and also had their hands tied by the convoluted planning regulations. A lesson should be learned here and other councils should be taking note not to let it happen to them.
Quote from: tonybloke on September 19, 2011, 22:15:03
QuoteCommo nsense tells most of us you cant have a building free for all, otherwise all our beauty spots, allotments and national parks will soon be turned into housing estates.
ain't that exactly what the Right Wing are suggesting?
Developers are currently sittingon enough land to build 600,000 houses. The reason they are not building on it is because they are waiting for changes in planning laws that will make it easier for them to get plans passed that they know currently will get rejected. In fact some of them know theres no default plan set up by the loacal authority, and so there plans then have to be passed unchecked. These planners will lodge plans at 8 oclock on the day the laws take efffect in order to outflank the Local Authority before the LA gets there act together and lodges a standard plan.
And thats demonstration of the way developers think, and its clear that without planning laws, there would indeed be housing estates in the middle of Dalby Forest and on top of Snowdonia.
Why are you trying to suggest that planning laws are a bad thing ? Do you want a cheap tacky theme pub on the top of Snowdonia?
You do not pay council tax or water rates in ireland - but it's something that is being looked at.
The Irish govt giving travellers new carvans and cars to come over here to live in? Oh come on - what red top did you read that one in?
***************
But - I do think they should be moved on - however 36 "caravans" have planning permission and will stay. The 53 that do not should be moved on.
I could afford about an acre of agricultural land around here - how nice it would be to do that and buy a "park home" to live in. I could then grow all my own veg and have lots more chickens and a horse or two! I could sell my house to do it and have no mortgage! Why don't we all do that? the answers simple really - we'd be thrown off in the blink of an eye!
I hate red tape like most people do - but I am law abiding!
Caravans have wheels so they can move - simple!
Quote from: mpdjulie on September 19, 2011, 09:17:22
I'm with ACE on this one. Why should they be allowed to not pay their way like tax paying normal folk. They proclaim they want to be treated the same as anyone else yet they avoid rules and regulations that us law abiding people adhere to. Can't have it both ways!!
Julie
Apparently - according to the guy from BAsildon council on LBC this afternoon - they do collect rates from some of the residents. When challenged that this effectively acknowledges their right to live there he refuted it by saying that the council still collects rates from houses where there is a building dispute so this is the same. Rates are for the services used, not the house itself - he said.
QuoteDo you want a cheap tacky theme pub on the top of Snowdonia?
yes please! it would go with the cafe and train station already on the top of Snowdon.
Quote from: louise stella on September 19, 2011, 23:01:24
Caravans have wheels so they can move - simple!
Caravans have wheels so they SHOULD move - simple.
Don't these people call themselves '
travellers'?
(http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af163/Bugloss2009/farm_2003041c.jpg)
no, not the 2 blondes, the "caravan" behind them
Quote from: louise stella on September 19, 2011, 23:01:24
You do not pay council tax or water rates in ireland - but it's something that is being looked at.
The Irish govt giving travellers new carvans and cars to come over here to live in? Oh come on - what red top did you read that one in?
***************
But - I do think they should be moved on - however 36 "caravans" have planning permission and will stay. The 53 that do not should be moved on.
I could afford about an acre of agricultural land around here - how nice it would be to do that and buy a "park home" to live in. I could then grow all my own veg and have lots more chickens and a horse or two! I could sell my house to do it and have no mortgage! Why don't we all do that? the answers simple really - we'd be thrown off in the blink of an eye!
I hate red tape like most people do - but I am law abiding!
Caravans have wheels so they can move - simple!
It's a fact it happened years ago before your time, do you think these Types buy their caravans, 4x4's, Static homes, tools to do their rubbish block paving, guttering and fascia jobs by legitimate means?, no they don't unless you have been on 'Big Brother',
Mr Smith, please don't tar all 'travellers' with the same brush!
there's some very good companies around here that have 'traveller' backgrounds, and they even have ISO certification and get awarded council contracts.
your post was close to being racist (which I'm sure you are not) ;)
Quote from: tonybloke on September 20, 2011, 22:31:54
Mr Smith, please don't tar all 'travellers' with the same brush!
there's some very good companies around here that have 'traveller' backgrounds, and they even have ISO certification and get awarded council contracts.
your post was close to being racist (which I'm sure you are not) ;)
ohhhhhhhh someone wheeled out the old looney left 'racist' blunt instrument.
I reject this word as it has lost all meaning, and is used merely to supress debate on subjects the looney left would rather brush under the carpet.
Nu Labour has gone. Its not racist to talk about foriegners and your dislikes of some of there cultural habits. Unfortunately, to get rid of the PC racist laws Nu Labour saddled us with in an attempt to hide its deliberate policy of letting in 5 million immigrants, without asking us if thats what we wanted, we need to dump the bleeding heart lib dems as well.
Oh well, next election, the Lib dems will get obliterated then, as they have done after every coalition they ever entered into.
Quote from: Bugloss2009 on September 20, 2011, 17:25:05
(http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af163/Bugloss2009/farm_2003041c.jpg)
no, not the 2 blondes, the "caravan" behind them
Wow, what a great looking caravan. Glad you pointed it out, i would have missed it. ;D ;D ;D
:P :P :P
they'd have gotten away with it too. until the council sent round a building Inspector who was gay
Quoteohhhhhhhh someone wheeled out the old looney left 'racist' blunt instrument.
and someone else wheeled out the 'loony left' blunt instrument!!
to have a non-judgemental attitude does not mean one is a left-winger.
They knew exactly what they were doing right from the start.
They should follow the law of this land like everybody else or face the consequences.
Quote from: betula on September 21, 2011, 08:01:41
They knew exactly what they were doing right from the start.
They should follow the law of this land like everybody else or face the consequences.
I agree, Den. but some on here go beyond saying that.
Don't care where they come from.
Fact is though many people come to this country and flaunt our laws and we are gagged when it comes to comment as it is true that whatever the issue is you are branded racist .
This is clever as it stalls all critisism and the UK becomes a free for all.
Could not put it better myself, Betula.
June.
Quote from: mpdjulie on September 19, 2011, 09:17:22
Why should they be allowed to not pay their way like tax paying normal folk.
Everyone who lives in the UK pays tax. If you mean Income Tax, that is the most insignificant tax we have. Don't forget the Vehicle Excise Licence/Road Fuel Tax, Council Tax and the most significant one of all, VAT. Don't forget that the last one costs you approx. one sixth of what you spend. So don't rant on about taxpayers.
Tonybloke,
I also know people who are builders and do council work and have never set foot in a caravan, they pay their taxes and everything else that goes with trying to make an honest crust, my post sounds racist?, what have I said it the post that was racist?, you might have a very nice travellers community over in your part of the world in Norfolk, well done why can't the rest of them be the same, :)
Quotemy post sounds racist?, what have I said it the post that was racist?
Quotedo you think these Types buy their caravans, 4x4's, Static homes, tools to do their rubbish block paving, guttering and fascia jobs by legitimate means?, no they don't
that bit!
Quote from: Larkshall on September 21, 2011, 18:18:02
Quote from: mpdjulie on September 19, 2011, 09:17:22
Why should they be allowed to not pay their way like tax paying normal folk.
Everyone who lives in the UK pays tax. If you mean Income Tax, that is the most insignificant tax we have. Don't forget the Vehicle Excise Licence/Road Fuel Tax, Council Tax and the most significant one of all, VAT. Don't forget that the last one costs you approx. one sixth of what you spend. So don't rant on about taxpayers.
These people rarely pay any tax of any description, thats why when you go to these places you see brand new top of the range Landrovers parked out side the caravans.
You need to go find out about Gangmasters. Fields in Lincolnshire are picked by gangs, and the Gangs are run by travellars from Newark and Boston. The farmer pays the gang about £6k to pick the fildl, the gangmaster pays the victims who work for them (usually desperate, homeless, or illegal immigrants) a pittance (sometimes as low as £2 an hour), and pockets about £4k - £5k for themself, for a day or two's 'work'. If you attempt to take there business with a rival gang, you will be attacked by a vanful of thugs, usually with crowbars or baseball bats, and put into intensive care. These are brutal violent thugs who dont give a toss about anybody but themselves, and are dtermined to freeload and rip off the rest of us. No one in there right mind whos knows the truth about these people can possibly have any sympathy with them.
Well 'That bit' I did not like to read in the press this week was when the police raided a Travellers site and found men being held against their will I believe the term 'Slaves' was used, being made to work laying block paving and other work what these Travelling types do, now that's what I call Racism,
Quote from: Mr Smith on September 21, 2011, 20:16:13
Well 'That bit' I did not like to read in the press this week was when the police raided a Travellers site and found men being held against their will I believe the term 'Slaves' was used, being made to work laying block paving and other work what these Travelling types do, now that's what I call Racism,
nope, that's slavery, a despicable trade in any society
May I just point out that racism is a most serious matter. If you think that a post is racist, you should report it rather than debate it. Racist posts will not be tolerated.
Equally, inflammatory language isn't helpful to reasoned discussion.
The reports I read was that these people the Travellers held in captive had no rights what so ever and suffered humiliation of all kinds at the hands of the Travellers, so in my book that includes Racism,
Quote from: Mr Smith on September 21, 2011, 22:10:29
The reports I read was that these people the Travellers held in captive had no rights what so ever and suffered humiliation of all kinds at the hands of the Travellers, so in my book that includes Racism,
what's the ISBN of your book?
Quote from: Mr Smith on September 20, 2011, 18:46:35
Quote from: louise stella on September 19, 2011, 23:01:24
You do not pay council tax or water rates in ireland - but it's something that is being looked at.
The Irish govt giving travellers new carvans and cars to come over here to live in? Oh come on - what red top did you read that one in?
***************
But - I do think they should be moved on - however 36 "caravans" have planning permission and will stay. The 53 that do not should be moved on.
I could afford about an acre of agricultural land around here - how nice it would be to do that and buy a "park home" to live in. I could then grow all my own veg and have lots more chickens and a horse or two! I could sell my house to do it and have no mortgage! Why don't we all do that? the answers simple really - we'd be thrown off in the blink of an eye!
I hate red tape like most people do - but I am law abiding!
Caravans have wheels so they can move - simple!
It's a fact it happened years ago before your time, do you think these Types buy their caravans, 4x4's, Static homes, tools to do their rubbish block paving, guttering and fascia jobs by legitimate means?, no they don't unless you have been on 'Big Brother',
Excuse me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Before my time" - so you are a mind reader now and know how old I am ???????
Quote from: louise stella on September 21, 2011, 23:04:51
Quote from: Mr Smith on September 20, 2011, 18:46:35
Quote from: louise stella on September 19, 2011, 23:01:24
You do not pay council tax or water rates in ireland - but it's something that is being looked at.
The Irish govt giving travellers new carvans and cars to come over here to live in? Oh come on - what red top did you read that one in?
***************
But - I do think they should be moved on - however 36 "caravans" have planning permission and will stay. The 53 that do not should be moved on.
About 50,
I could afford about an acre of agricultural land around here - how nice it would be to do that and buy a "park home" to live in. I could then grow all my own veg and have lots more chickens and a horse or two! I could sell my house to do it and have no mortgage! Why don't we all do that? the answers simple really - we'd be thrown off in the blink of an eye!
I hate red tape like most people do - but I am law abiding!
Caravans have wheels so they can move - simple!
It's a fact it happened years ago before your time, do you think these Types buy their caravans, 4x4's, Static homes, tools to do their rubbish block paving, guttering and fascia jobs by legitimate means?, no they don't unless you have been on 'Big Brother',
Excuse me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Before my time" - so you are a mind reader now and know how old I am ???????
Quote from: tonybloke on September 21, 2011, 22:36:37
Quote from: Mr Smith on September 21, 2011, 22:10:29
The reports I read was that these people the Travellers held in captive had no rights what so ever and suffered humiliation of all kinds at the hands of the Travellers, so in my book that includes Racism,
what's the ISBN of your book?
I thought you would of known that by now,
Quote from: Melbourne12 on September 21, 2011, 21:46:41
May I just point out that racism is a most serious matter. If you think that a post is racist, you should report it rather than debate it. Racist posts will not be tolerated.
Equally, inflammatory language isn't helpful to reasoned discussion.
Yes, but the problem with your post is you're still brainwashed by the politically correct bollox hammered into the populace and put into law by Nu Labours looney left cultural; marxists.
Its only 'a serious matter' because labour made it illegal.
Do you KNOW what politicall correctness is about? The object of political correctness, as formulated by the marxist Frankfurt School in 1924, is to introduce policies and practices that tend to corrupt and destroy morality in the west, in order to bring down western judeo-christian society and bring about the Glorious Soviet revolution, only nowadays its used to the same ends but to bring about the Glorious EU Superstate.
The main policies are
1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family
One of the main ideas of the Frankfurt School was to exploit Freud's idea of 'pansexualism' - the search for pleasure, the exploitation of the differences between the sexes, the overthrowing of traditional relationships between men and women. To further their aims they would:
• attack the authority of the father, deny the specific roles of father and mother, and wrest away from families their rights as primary educators of their children.
• abolish differences in the education of boys and girls
• abolish all forms of male dominance - hence the presence of women in the armed forces
• declare women to be an 'oppressed class' and men as 'oppressors'
Munzenberg summed up the Frankfurt School's long-term operation thus: 'We will make the West so corrupt that it stinks.'
All of these policies were incorporated into Nu Labour policies, and embedded in law, to aid the destruction of western soceity and help bring about, in our case, the EU superstate.
The psychology of Cultural Marism work by attaching negative values only to certain words, and then those words are used to label people who disagree with you. Eventually, no one dares disagree for fear of being labelled with the negative associated word, and 'racist' is the perfect example of this. But its all just psychology and manipulation. You've been manipulated, old boy, and you havent realised.
SO, racism is bollox. There is no 'racism'. Its a looney left tool to supress debate and stop people opposing cultural marxism and the march of the EU Superstate. I reject the word 'racism' and i reject the use of it to stop the people discussing and debating foriegners and there abhorrent practices and behaviours. And anyone that does practice the use of the word 'racist' to this ends, is in favour of political correctness, and therfore in favour of the destruction of this nation, and therefore as far as im concerned an enemy of this country.
Racism does exist and I won't tolerate hatred of people just because they happen to come from a different country to me,don't look like me or speak the same language.
What I can't stand is not being able to debate issues like for eg Immigration
and being branded racist.As I said before...a clever ploy that gags people.
Problem is real racists do join in such debates and their ignorant comments lower the whole thing to the gutter.
Quote from: betula on September 22, 2011, 09:41:13
Racism does exist and I won't tolerate hatred of people just because they happen to come from a different country to me,don't look like me or speak the same language.
What I can't stand is not being able to debate issues like for eg Immigration
and being branded racist.As I said before...a clever ploy that gags people.
Problem is real racists do join in such debates and their ignorant comments lower the whole thing to the gutter.
'ignorant'
round in a circle, did you not read my post?
Why are you using negative , incorrect, labels to brand people, if not to supress debate?
There can be no debate till we stop using meaningless PC labels. As long as you continue to use the words 'ignorant racist' then there is no debate. But you will spark violence from people who can see there point of view isnt being listened to. The point of free speech is that everyone has a right to express there point of view, no matter what - except if you're a looney leftie, then the definition of free speech seems to only extend to people who agree with you, as Nu Labour demonstrated.
Your part of the problem, not the solution, if you dont agree with free speech and you use labels to supress people..
I stick by my post including the word ignorant.
and this started as a thread on unauthorised building on the Green Belt
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3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
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well i don't remember being taught sex at school. I'd probably remember. Perhaps I was off that day. Probably a good thing, as it was an all boys school. Unless they had the hockey team from St Totties bussed in specially
I do wish people would stop making accusations of ignorance when they disagree with someone else's conclusions. Whilst I don't agree with Lincsyokel's opinions, he has shown more reason to support his opinions than anyone else here. Hardly ignorance when you've obviously spent time researching, albeit arriving at a different conclusion to most as a result.
Well if you saw the post that was deleted you may change your opinion.....just a thought.
Quote from: betula on September 22, 2011, 13:28:36
Well if you saw the post that was deleted you may change your opinion.....just a thought.
Ohh now thats a low blow, planting the seed of doubt without having to justify it or produce the proof.
Another looney left PC debating tactic.
And ive seen them all, ive debated politics in some of the most viscious online political debates you've ever seen. One thing i never do is post spurious opinioin, if i post it, i can support it with evidence. Ive been the only anti-Bush poster on an entire board of republicans, and had to seriously fight the corner. I was on the Police Forum telling them they murdered Charls De Menedez. I can fight my corner if i have to.
Quote from: ACE on September 19, 2011, 22:44:41
Now just to get this straight, because I had the audacity to suggest that some of the peaceful demonstrators could be on Jobseekers allowances and as such should really be job seeking instead of protesting. I am deemed gullible enough to believe all that is printed in some of our more dubious newspapers, I am accused of calling every benefit claimant a criminal,I am also accused of being against people having the right to holding a peaceful protest. There is also a good chance I could be a NIMBY
Just to put the record straight, I have no problem with job seekers signing off for the day and supporting worthy causes, but I resent the public purse being spent on job seekers who are not actively job seeking. I expect a lot of these protesters believe in what they are doing. I would say they have been mislead themselves, but if that is what they want to do good luck to them. Just sign off for the day is all I ask.
Just as every person guilty or not, are subject to on the spot searches for drink driving, terrorism, drugs, guns etc. I see no problem asking if they are on job seekers benefits and have they signed off for the day.
This whole situation has been badly handled from the start and the local council should have put their foot down to start with, not leave it for 10 years. But I suspect they listened to the bleeding hearts and also had their hands tied by the convoluted planning regulations. A lesson should be learned here and other councils should be taking note not to let it happen to them.
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Not sure which country you're living in, but here the police don't have the power to stop and search without due cause, except in some areas they claim are very 'important'. But do you seriously want to make signing-on a police matter?
Gosh! Let's not muck about. Let's make 'em wear a badge so we all know they should be looking for work.
Then one for the disabled as well so we know who's really using the juicy car-parking spots at Tescos'......
I believe we've lost far too many freedoms already with this 'war on terror' nonsense. The Labour government wanted us all to carry ID cards....
Do we not learn from history?
Remind you of any time in recenr history?
there you go!
QuoteI reject the word 'racism' and i reject the use of it to stop the people discussing and debating foriegners and there abhorrent practices and behaviours.
my underlining, btw.
which practices are abhorrent to you?
And Travellers killing Hedgehogs for Hedgehog pie, :)
Quote from: tonybloke on September 22, 2011, 16:11:45
there you go!
QuoteI reject the word 'racism' and i reject the use of it to stop the people discussing and debating foriegners and there abhorrent practices and behaviours.
my underlining, btw.
which practices are abhorrent to you?
I posted a long list backed up with links to factual newspaper reports which has been removed pdq, apparantly were not allowed to print here the same truths the newpapers print. There a lovely long list of abhorrent foriegn practices.
I've locked this thread which is a shame - a perfectly reasonable discussion about one group of people & planning law (or lack of it) has descended into repeated, off-topic rants based upon race.