'Big Society Dave' is planning to make a profit from the blood that folk donate to the NHS !!
bloody Tory vampires!! >:( >:(
link to petition to Cameron to stop this before it starts
http://action.unitetheunion.com/page/share/BloodMoneyInvite
I should have to say that your original post smacks of scaremongering, and when you go to the link there is no information.
The blood donor service in the UK is entirely voluntary (speaking as a donor). Are you trying to say that in future there will be no checks on donations, and that as in America any old junkie, HIV positive down and out can give for money.
I think we are a very long way from that. As I say, speaking as a donor.
valmarg
Aren`t Unite the union which seems to, strangely, attract " anarchists " whenever they decide to have a " peaceful protest "? Just more s*** stirring methinks. 8)
I agree that particular page seems to be whipping up anger without explaining the facts, and I don't like that because sometimes unthinking ire is directed at the wrong things. But in this case, it's well-founded ire, because I agree that privatising the blood donation service is an appalling idea. I don't want companies making a profit from something which can operate without surplus profit being siphoned off.
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d1534.extract (http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d1534.extract)
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/02/18/the-privatisation-of-blood-donations/ (http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/02/18/the-privatisation-of-blood-donations/)
Anyway - Unite do explain more on this doc on their websitehttp://www.unitetheunion.org/pdf/Job%203638%20Blood%20service%20briefing.pdf (http://www.unitetheunion.org/pdf/Job%203638%20Blood%20service%20briefing.pdf)
Thanks for letting us know tonybloke.
I have four groups of Professional Liars, Politicians, Journalists, Conmen and Professional Photographers.
As I posted previously I have been a blood donor in the UK.
My blood has been rigorously tested.
I really would be interested to learn what sell off could be considered.
valmarg
Unite and the Independent, two very reliable sources, am I correct in saying they are both Labour Party funders? bmj who or what are they?The British Medical Journal? If so, why use lower case initials? More scaremongering from the Labour Party and it`s cronies.
Quote from: daitheplant on April 28, 2011, 21:56:46
Unite and the Independent, two very reliable sources, am I correct in saying they are both Labour Party funders? bmj who or what are they?The British Medical Journal? If so, why use lower case initials? More scaremongering from the Labour Party and it`s cronies.
Totally agree
I am an ex donor after many years of donating regularly.
I had been getting two pleading letters just before Christmas. My blood group apparently was in dire demand at the local hospital. Made an effort to attend the next session (weather atrocious, needed to organise kids etc). Arrived 40 minutes before the end of their session time and found myself locked out, together with scores of other people. All waving the exact same letter. People were hammering on the door desperately ' you must let us give blood, the hospital has not got enough over Christmas' etc etc. Nothing doing. Not even a credit for turning up. They were all in there and some people were giving blood. We could see them through the door, but not a single person would come out and explain. I then wrote, complained and asked for an explanation. They replied that this should not happen had I made an appointment with their appointment system. ???
I wish the Blood Service was run better. Ideally by the local or district hospitals. Haven't they always made money from blood products sold abroad? I would donate again, if we had a service that respected their donors, even if it was private. I am sure nobody would take short-cuts on testing donated blood.
Thanks for the urls, interesting reading.
As I understood it. The transportation of blood to and from the bank could be taken up by a private carrier.
That could make sense, instead of using NHS transport to get blood from A to B, it could go 'in a suitable container' by those same day carriers with other stuff.
The system we have might well need updating bearing in mind improved technology. Nothing what ever to do with the donation and vetting of same. There certainly was a problem in the USA in particular paying for blood from any one who needed a quick buck at one time but I believe they cleaned that up years ago.
Personally I think a lot could be saved with 'prescriptions'
Ever noticed how many Chemists there are about? Must be a lot of profit in it. Especially as many of them will do a collection and delivery service.
There are a lot of drugs which are 'prescription only' in the UK that can be bought 'over the counter' abroad for a fraction of the cost. If one pays for their prescription it is worth investigating when going abroad on holiday.
Several friends and relatives have told me that their doctor continues to prescribe medicines for them they no longer need. Since they don't pay for their prescriptions they just get the monthly bulk order and then return those they don't use to the chemist unused at a later date.
Those drugs are disposed off, they can not be re-issued. (I can see the wisdom in not giving drugs out again) A lot of people do not realise that and think that by returning them to the Chemist, some one else gets them.
Quote from: daitheplant on April 28, 2011, 21:56:46
Unite and the Independent, two very reliable sources, am I correct in saying they are both Labour Party funders? bmj who or what are they?The British Medical Journal? If so, why use lower case initials? More scaremongering from the Labour Party and it`s cronies.
I'm not aware of the Independent newspaper funding the Labour Party. The BMJ - yes it is the British Medical Journal - uses lower case initials because it's a url - a website address. You sound rather paranoid!
The BMJ is a very reliable source, as it's peer-reviewed. I find the Independent newspaper a reasonably reliable source and in this case it's a blog post by someone from the Antony Nolan charity, and if you read the post, it is very measured and definitely not 'scare-mongering.'
I know people have different feelings about privatisation and its effects. I'm just sceptical about its supposed benefits and see problems coming with it.
Quote from: tonybloke on March 05, 2011, 09:49:09
'Big Society Dave' is planning to make a profit from the blood that folk donate to the NHS !!
bloody Tory vampires!! >:( >:(
link to petition to Cameron to stop this before it starts
http://action.unitetheunion.com/page/share/BloodMoneyInvite
An inappropriate post on an allotment site. The politics of silliness.
Quote from: Melbourne12 on April 29, 2011, 22:16:12
An inappropriate post on an allotment site. The politics of silliness.
Agree - thought the original post was ridiculous - I'm sure there are plenty of left wing sites to post such nonsense
Quote from: Melbourne12 on April 29, 2011, 22:16:12
Quote from: tonybloke on March 05, 2011, 09:49:09
'Big Society Dave' is planning to make a profit from the blood that folk donate to the NHS !!
bloody Tory vampires!! >:( >:(
link to petition to Cameron to stop this before it starts
http://action.unitetheunion.com/page/share/BloodMoneyInvite
An inappropriate post on an allotment site. The politics of silliness.
Rubbish - this is "the shed" where we can post what we like. You are not the abitrator of what is an apporpriate post. If you don't like then don't read it
Yeah Tony, you little minx, I thought that link might be to a seed site or something.
We're a lot more likely to be urgently in need of some blood than to be in need of the bloody royal family - yet people are happy to get all gushy about that on here.
Perfectly reasonable post IMHO - don't click if you'd rather live in your comfy little tabloid world.
Quote from: BarriedaleNick on April 30, 2011, 08:42:13
Quote from: Melbourne12 on April 29, 2011, 22:16:12
Quote from: tonybloke on March 05, 2011, 09:49:09
'Big Society Dave' is planning to make a profit from the blood that folk donate to the NHS !!
bloody Tory vampires!! >:( >:(
link to petition to Cameron to stop this before it starts
http://action.unitetheunion.com/page/share/BloodMoneyInvite
An inappropriate post on an allotment site. The politics of silliness.
Rubbish - this is "the shed" where we can post what we like. You are not the abitrator of what is an apporpriate post. If you don't like then don't read it
This "we" of whom you speak, who can post what they like. Does that exclude me, then? Because I posted what I liked, and you're entirely at liberty not to read it.
And it's "arbiter", for future reference.
Im so glad that you agree with my point! ;)
Quote from: BarriedaleNick on April 30, 2011, 13:24:51
Im so glad that you agree with my point! ;)
Weak response.
I'm always up for a robust political debate, but it does need to be grounded in something more than propaganda and playground responses.
I'm not in the least bit interested in discussing politics with you or anyone else.
I made my point (which was nothing to do with politics) and you agreed with me - that's good enough for me.
Im off to the pub..
Pub sounds good! ;D
But it is a bit annoying to have so many shouty messages in here. Tonybloke raised an issue he felt strongly about, and why not? Let's talk about the rights and wrongs of the proposed changes, rather than 'accusing' people of being Labour or left wing and therefore not facing the issue.
Zigzig mulled over the possible usefulness of private sector involvement. I agree in a way, that if aspects were contracted out, it doesn't automatically follow that they'd be selling tainted blood to the highest bidder!
But for me privatisation is not a good thing. I do have a problem with the assumption people sometimes make, that private enterprise is always more efficient, while public sector is always wasteful. I think the NHS is an amazing success and we get very good health care, while paying a lot less for it than some other countries. It's hard to see how we will get better value, if private individuals/shareholders are siphoning off a cut of our tax money (sorry for mixed metaphor ::))