It will soon be illegal to have a vehicle that is not insured even if you are not using it. They will be taken away and crushed. Another stupid law that hits the motorist that has done everything by the book and registered his vehicle.
61,000 illegal imigrants cannot be found, quite a few of these will be driving and to stay untraceable they do not register their vehicles and 9 times out of ten do not insure them, but their cars will be safe.
Motorists that drive uninsured deserve all they get, but lets have a level playing field. Spend the money on catching the illegals not persecuting the honest bloke that has taken his car off the road because he can't afford the cost of insurance.
This is not a rant about bona fide immigrants that come through the proper channels, for what ever reason they were granted asylum/work permits/visitors rights etc. But the chancers that are breaking the laws of the land and making others pay for it.
I bet the officialdom will be taking it too far and grabbing all the easy meat first like vehicle restorers and collectors of historic vehicles. I do not insure my bike on time every year as sometimes I am too busy to ride or the weather is bad. So I have written to my MP to get this stupid law chucked out before it begins. Even the AA has reservations on the plans.
...and anyway, isn't it the PERSON who is insured, not the vehicle? How will it work?
Quote from: katynewbie on January 11, 2011, 08:04:11
...and anyway, isn't it the PERSON who is insured, not the vehicle? How will it work?
No my name is Robbie not WHO8 BIE
Listening to this on R4 yesterday it seemed like a sensible proposal. The aim seemed to be to cross check people with out insurance, with those who had a SORN. Therefore if you have declared your vehicle off road, and no insurance that is ok, as long as you do not take the vehicle on the road.
Anyone who has no SORN and no insurance for their vehicle can then be targeted, because you have eliminated people like yourself and my OH who only put a bike on the road in the summer.
(Mind you when I had not television licence because I had no telly, it did not stop people from knocking on the door asking why I had not got a licence.....!) :-\
My vehicles are taxed for the year, so no sorn needed, but the bike will not be insured for the road until the weather gets better or I get time to use it. Also the custom project will not be done until I have the time to complete it so where do I stand. Get the people that count, not the legitimate owners. I will think twice about registering ownership if I get another project to restore.
This is another way to make the insurance companies more money!
They will be offering a off the road insurance policy next!!
More details here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12150923 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12150923)
The only significant difference this will make is that the police will be able to have a car removed if it's PARKED on the public highway uninsured. At present, they can only remove the car if it's being DRIVEN uninsured. Keeping a vehicle off road will simply be a case of SORN.
While there at it why not get it passed that cyclists have to tax and insure there pushbikes and get them to pay for the bloody cycle lanes they keep putting in around my neck of the woods.
Absolutely agree Froglegs, cyclists should pay their fair share. Now, if damage is caused by the weight of the vehicle, than a bike at say 15kg vs. a car at, say 1,500kg, RFL for a car is about £150 so all cyclists should be paying £150/100 = £1.50 a year, or 3p a week. It is outrageous that they are allowed to get away with this.
Cyclists should be able to extend their car insuance to cover cycling 'cos if I'm cycling,I'm not in my car. If you already have road tax, you should not as a cyslist have to pay again for the same lethal potholes to be left unfilled.
Cycle lanes are useless anyway, mostly put in by non-cyclists.
I would like to see all motorists having to ride a bike for a whole week, once per year, to remind them that the cyclist is wrapped in skin and fibres, whilst the car driver is wrapped in a steel safety cage whilst on the road. (well, this is the Rant thread)
As a cyclist I'll happily pay my 3p a week. That is on top of the car tax I already pay, the high rate tax rate I pay on my income, the 20% VAT I pay on things I buy and the local taxes I pay for my local roads.
I also try to smoke as many fags as possible and drink as much beer and wine just so I can pay my fair share.
When car driver stop killing over 3000 people a year on the roads ill pay my £150!
I love my bike, but not in the winter. No car, but can walk to the shops and a free bus/tube pass (I am so lucky). Gave my car up when I retired to save money for seeds.
Cyclists, and those who drive mobility carts come to that, SHOULD be insured like the rest of us road users, they should ALSO be made to adhere to the highway code like the rest of us road users. Well this IS the RANT thread. ;D ;D ;D
Well f**k me I walk to work, why don't you put your heads together and find a way to tax me, spring can't come quick enough. :( :( :(
Quote from: daitheplant on January 11, 2011, 20:24:06
they should ALSO be made to adhere to the highway code like the rest of us road users. Well this IS the RANT thread. ;D ;D ;D
Thats one of the funniest things I have read in while - I didn't that that woman who pulled out in front of me last year causing me to break ribs and badly damage my wrist was adhering to the HC. I didn't realise that not indicating, speeding and driving like a dick were now allowed as well.
The reason car drivers need to be insured is that they kill several thousand people a year, injure tens of thousands more and cause millions of pounds worth of damage to other people's cars and property Ill happily be insured on a comparable rate - given that cyclists are generally responsible for around 1-2 deaths a year.. Well you do the math..
I say price drivers off the road - it'll make it much easier for me if only rich people can drive.. /s ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: froglets on January 11, 2011, 13:01:18
Cycle lanes are useless anyway, mostly put in by non-cyclists.
Most cyclists don't use them anyway they'd much sooner speed though pedestrians on walk ways. Not only should they be taxed but they should be made to take a road test before they are let out on the roads and bloody well fined if they go on the pavement,if i went on the pavement to go round lights on red I'd be sodding well shot.
Quote from: OllieC on January 11, 2011, 12:09:53
Absolutely agree Froglegs, cyclists should pay their fair share. Now, if damage is caused by the weight of the vehicle, than a bike at say 15kg vs. a car at, say 1,500kg, RFL for a car is about £150 so all cyclists should be paying £150/100 = £1.50 a year, or 3p a week. It is outrageous that they are allowed to get away with this.
The size of arse in the Lycra shorts this morning on my way to work,£13.03 would not cover it. ;D ;D
I dont bother going on to the pavement to go round red lights when I can can just cycle straight through them.
I cycle on the pavements all the time because the roads are full of idiot drivers - if they obeyed the rules of the road it would be easier but mostly it seems to be beyond the ken of the average motorist. I've tried running over pedestrians but it is a bit oouchy so from now on Ill leave that to car drivers as they are much more efficient at doing so.
Quote from: BarriedaleNick on January 12, 2011, 12:02:37
I dont bother going on to the pavement to go round red lights when I can can just cycle straight through them.
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Well I thought if we were all posting a load of old tosh then I might as well join in! ;)
Quote from: BarriedaleNick on January 13, 2011, 12:40:59
Well I thought if we were all posting a load of old tosh then I might as well join in! ;)
That was why I joied in!
I've got a lovely offroad cyclepath for my commute. Paid for by council tax payers like myself. Just because most of the lazy T**TS can't be bothered to use it isn't my fault. Dog owners exempted although if you think wearing dark clothes and not carrying a torch at night is a good idea do get a white dog at least I won't run it over.
Quite willing to pay VED at £0, cost to motorist £2.50 admin per bike. Sounds like a great idea to but only if you failed maths.
Last year red lights run 0 time on pavement about 10 minutes no pedestrians to run over. Cut up every other week, prats on mobiles 2 ( one was driving a lorry with the other hand gesturing for crying out loud ) Idiots beeping horns because you won't let them overtake dangerously in the roadworks or cycle on the pavement to let them though ( this really was suggested by the driver ) 1
Quote from: cornykev on January 11, 2011, 20:52:14
Well f**k me I walk to work, why don't you put your heads together and find a way to tax me, spring can't come quick enough. :( :( :(
PLEASE don't encourage them ;)
The majority of vehicles that are kept in museums or in private collections are insured in one way or another, but I do agree Ace if you are person that keeps a car for what ever purpose without insurance on the front of your house off the road I would also RANT, :)
Quote from: OllieC on January 13, 2011, 14:35:19
Quote from: BarriedaleNick on January 13, 2011, 12:40:59
Well I thought if we were all posting a load of old tosh then I might as well join in! ;)
That was why I joied in!
Nothing new there then.. ;D