his was sent to me today. I have not had time to check if it is really true.
Could it be?
if it's true it's a disgrace.
There should be a national outcry about it.
I'm lost for words.
So 'Pathetically' True ...
We're "broke" & can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc.
Are you aware of the following?
The British Government provides the following financial assistance.
BENEFIT BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Weekly allowance £100
Weekly Spouse allowance £25
Additional weekly hardship allowance £0
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £6,000
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS / REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
Weekly allowance £250
Weekly Spouse allowance £225
Additional weekly hardship allowance £100
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £29,900
Please read all and then forward to all your contacts so that we can lobby for a decent aged pension. After all, the average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years.
Sad isn't it?
tinkerty tonk
tinkerty tonk?
Who sent it- BNP or EDL? ::)
Quote from: daitheplant on December 15, 2010, 22:04:19
tinkerty tonk?
and I meant it to sting.
Bertie Wooster at his finest
Can I tag on TeeGee?
Read about the current black hole in the local government pension scheme.......£300 per taxpayer per year to block it?
For those of us that haven't been able to afford to contribute to a pension scheme at all, can I reclaim this to put towards my own pension?
Having been bitten by the "save for your own pension through an endowment", there were no pennies left to put towards one.
If we had been in a position to take out a private pension it would have been on the terms of "value of shares can go down as well as up". So please tell me, why oh why should local government employees' pensions be guaranteed?
Ninny
I also had his sent to me today but it has been around for a long time at least a year or two to my knowledge maybe longer.
The figures (and I am an OAP)
Are not accurate at all. Details can be found here
http://www.direct.gov.uk
Every one's pension depends on what they have accrued and if it falls below a certain level there are pension credits.
Yes there are some pensioners who are on the basic entitlement, mostly women because we were not on equal pay and that is another story.
However, the figures you have been given are like a lot of literature circulating to try to prove that in this country we are looking after foreigners better than our own is racist and intended to incite racial disharmony.
Yes we do look after other people, probably better than any other country in the world and I am proud about it. I would not want to be in a foreign hospital and left aside in agony whilst it was being checked that I had the insurance to cover my treatment.
There are trouble makers around who want to make out that this wonderful country of ours is giving more to foreigners than we give to our own. It is not true at all. It is in fact very difficult to enter into the UK and whist there are illegal immigrants and always will be, these poor souls are simply doing their best and living in fear.
People who have to move away from their homeland , friends and family to get a decent future put far more effort into improving themselves than those of us who sit on our bottoms and moan that THEY get more on benefits than we do.
Migrants migrate to better themselves. Not to claim benefits
What you have received to circulate is malicious literature.
In the first half of the 20th century the UK got migrants from Europe they looked like us but had a foreign accent. So today their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren we simply accept as our own because they don't have an accent.
In the second half we got migrants with a different physical apperance, darker skinned and different eye shapes. So their children and grand children do not blend in quite as simply. They will always look different.
Fact.
My doctor, dentist & chemist are all of non European origin.
I have worded that bit carefully
Quote from: PurpleHeather on December 15, 2010, 22:37:42
The figures (and I am an OAP)
Are not accurate at all. Details can be found here
http://www.direct.gov.uk
Every one's pension depends on what they have accrued and if it falls below a certain level there are pension credits.
Yes there are some pensioners who are on the basic entitlement, mostly women because we were not on equal pay and that is another story.
However, the figures you have been given are like a lot of literature circulating to try to prove that in this country we are looking after foreigners better than our own is racist and intended to incite racial disharmony.
Yes we do look after other people, probably better than any other country in the world and I am proud about it. I would not want to be in a foreign hospital and left aside in agony whilst it was being checked that I had the insurance to cover my treatment.
There are trouble makers around who want to make out that this wonderful country of ours is giving more to foreigners than we give to our own. It is not true at all. It is in fact very difficult to enter into the UK and whist there are illegal immigrants and always will be, these poor souls are simply doing their best and living in fear.
People who have to move away from their homeland , friends and family to get a decent future put far more effort into improving themselves than those of us who sit on our bottoms and moan that THEY get more on benefits than we do.
Migrants migrate to better themselves. Not to claim benefits
What you have received to circulate is malicious literature.
In the first half of the 20th century the UK got migrants from Europe they looked like us but had a foreign accent. So today their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren we simply accept as our own because they don't have an accent.
In the second half we got migrants with a different physical apperance, darker skinned and different eye shapes. So their children and grand children do not blend in quite as simply. They will always look different.
Fact.
My doctor, dentist & chemist are all of non European origin.
I have worded that bit carefully
bugger! I actually agree with you on something!!
(illegal immigrants, by the very nature of their illegality, can't claim a penny, btw)
Very well said PurpleHeather!
Your post cuts right through the c**p and exposes the racist intent behind the message.
Again, well said.
Gosh................can I just add my tag on was not supposed to be racist in any way whatsoever. I really should have started a new thread!
Ninny
Ninny your query is valid very valid indeed...
Local government employees were engaged to do the same work as those in the private sector but (at the time) the wages were lower, security of employment was a bit better AND there was a decent pension scheme.
Swings and roundabouts
Job security and a decent pension from local and central government decided many to take the job. A better wage now for others was a personal choice. Two separate packages.
Governments. Local and National can back up promises of not a lot now but more later by the promise that they will always be there to provide that pension package
In short, they got workers on the cheap
(I will add there were private firms who tried the same They died the pension pot went with them )
Now these government and local government workers are all getting to or have reached retirement age .The pension providers (government) are making all sorts of excuses to try to cover up the fact that the money they promised that they would put away for these pensions has a shortfall.
Surprise surprise the pensioners depending on the promised expectations are being labled as spongers in exactly the same way as the 'immigrants' in the earlier post.
Either the local or national taxes have to be increased to meet the promises made in the past so that every one of working age has to pay more to repay these promised pensions or those entitled to those promised pensions wont get them.
End of part one on scheming governments
I rather think at this point a lot of people are either bored or have lost it but please read on and read again.
Now then this student loan business............
What we used to do was give students grants to study.
Then we (by we I mean the government) decided to give loans instead of grants.
Only graduates who actually earned enough would ever have to repay them.
There are a lot of students who took out these loans but did not even complete the course. Others who graduated and went abroad to work.
These people will never be either able or available to repay their student loans to the banks and those loans were timed to expire. When they expire the government is obligated to reimburse the banks.
These systems were in place to off set government expenditure and we (that is we as a nation) have old debts promised which are an obligation.
NIMIF
Is a term meaning NOt In My Time In Office.
Debts have been shelved.
I could be kind here and suggest that politicians expected some thing would happen so that the debts would be absorbed into an economic growth but I will be honest and tell you that all the politicians wanted was to shelve the problems for the future.
We are at the future. There is no money to support the pension schemes there will be no money to pay for unpaid student loans
Thanks for staying with me thus far
Conservative or Labour is not an issue both are equally implicated. It has nothing at all to do with the credit crunch either.
bugger! I actually agree with you on something!!
there is hope for us yet my darling
Zig ZIg seems to have a lot to agree with too
Zigzag thank you for a very good reply but one thing I might have to disagree with you on is that not all folk in the private sector were necessarily paid as much as those in the public sector.
There are those of us who have strived to make a living over the decades and even now are just above minimum wages in their own businesses.
I do not consider the public sector "would be" pensioners as "spongers" in any way at all....my question is why should they be treated any differently to me?
So tell me.................where has all this public sector pension money disappeared to?
Ninny
I will also add a "well said" to Purple Heather. What TeeGee received is just racist propaganda.
I will also add a bit to Zigzig's post concerning those that work for the public sector.
My OH is a Civil Servant and there used to be a pay committee that would compare the wages of those in the public sector with what people earned in private employment. They would then add on x amount for job security and another amount for the pension. Pay rises would then be given for the difference.
However, this scheme was axed and since then Civil servants have been made examples of over the years and pay rises have been very small or non-existent. Pay has fallen well below that of the private sector.
Now, after 40+ years service, when he retires in 2013, my OH will get £13,000 per annum pension. Not a lot for someone who has been in a middle management position.
Ninnyscrops, there are many Public Servants whose income is below the benefit level so they receive Working Tax credit. In fact when we lived in Scotland and I wasn't working, we were able to claim a rate rebate because my OH's income was low.
Ninny
That was the point
The money was never there..........
It was all a promise which they can not materialise
:o I don't want to make bad friends on here :o
Paulines7
There are and were the lowly peeps around in the private sector businesses that kept and are still just keeping their heads above water! These little people have also been the backbone of the earnings industry over the years. I wish someone would have said to me that I could keep my wages on the same level as the public sector employees at times and add an x for a pension, but it never crossed my mind. Nor did applying for any kind of tax credit...............if we couldn't earn it we cut back.
All I was saying is why should I have to pay into someone else's pension when I can't and couldn't have afforded to pay into one of my own ???
Ninny
Edited to say: Both hubby and myself have been in private sector jobs too for 40+ years, and as I mentioned before we put our pennies into an endowment/pension scheme which didn't come to fruition but there was no recall on the taxpayer for any more. x
Quote from: PurpleHeather on December 16, 2010, 01:49:59
Ninny
That was the point
The money was never there..........
It was all a promise which they can not materialise
And I should pay towards it even though I have no additional pension for myself? :(
Quote from: Ninnyscrops. on December 15, 2010, 22:20:37
So please tell me, why oh why should local government employees' pensions be guaranteed?
Ninny
These pensions where not free, we paid a hefty sum out of our wages into the pot every month, and as with every other pension scheme the more you put in the more you get out. I shall never be able to go cap in hand for pension credits like the private sector. As we were paying our dues the money went towards the then retired local government/civil service pensioners this was reinvested to make a good return. Unfortunaltly the greedy bankers messed up the scheme and council services were hived off to 'friends and family' under the disguise of competetive tendering, resulting in less workers to contribute to the retirement pot.
The civil service pension scheme is or will soon be at breaking point, but instead of cutting and running like the private sector pension plans and leaving you all in the lurch, the government are keeping their side of the bargain and paying us what we deserve. Although some could be marginally better off grabbing the pension credits, council tax reductions, subsidised rents etc that come with being able to claim benefits.
So you see, being allegedly guaranteed, saves the government paying us extra benefits from another pot. But it leaves us worse off.
Having worked in Benefits fraud and in appeals trubinuals I have to say that there are alot of people from abroad abusing our welfare system.
Ive sat in a tribunal where a foreigner has proudly stated he has done his bit for our country by producing 9 children, all of which he was claiming benefit for. He was upset when the chairman told him he'd have done us a better favour having a vasectomy.
Ive been in a tribunal where a woman has blatantly admitted that she entered the country to abuse our system and yet she still won her tribunal.
Ive kicked peoples doors in who were claiming in multiple identitities to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds.
Immigrants do get far more than our people, they get houses over our own people, then whinge they arent big enough, they get loads of benefits all of which they can claim having been able to have forms translated for them by an interpreter paid for by our government, something I dont think nmany other countries would go to the expnse of doing. We pander to people from abroad like no other country does.
I myself have lived abroad as my ex husband was in the forces. I had to give up my job to move country but couldnt claim a penny in unemployment benefit in Germany they dont allow you to when youve willingly given up a job and quite rightly so. . I had to get off my backside and get a job fast, which meant learning a foreign language in weeks something alot of immigrants to our country never bother to do.
I have to say my view of immigrants given my background is very jaded, ok Ive probably seen alot of the worst immigrants but our poor people who have worked all thier lives deserve better, and those who come to our country shouldnt have things handed to them on a plate.
I have worked in both public and private sector, and I am now a stay at home mum. Of course now I dont get a pension paid into unless I pay out of my husbands wages so for staying at home and ensuring that my children are brought up well like all stay at home mums both now and in the past I will of course pay for this in lack of pension.
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01
Having worked in Benefits fraud and in appeals trubinuals I have to say that there are a lot of people from abroad abusing our welfare system.
There are also many, many more people from abroad who are working hard for this country and have never claimed anything. They make up the backbone of our country especially in the NHS.
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01
Ive sat in a tribunal where a foreigner has proudly stated he has done his bit for our country by producing 9 children, all of which he was claiming benefit for. He was upset when the chairman told him he'd have done us a better favour having a vasectomy.
There are people born in this country who also have a lot of children. The chairman was totally out of order saying that and should have been sacked!
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01
Ive kicked peoples doors in who were claiming in multiple identitities to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds.
This happens whether they were born and bred in this country or not. There will always be people defrauding the system.
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01
Immigrants do get far more than our people, they get houses over our own people, then whinge they arent big enough, they get loads of benefits all of which they can claim having been able to have forms translated for them by an interpreter paid for by our government, something I dont think nmany other countries would go to the expnse of doing. We pander to people from abroad like no other country does.
I think you have been reading the Daily Mail as gospel.
I find your posting very racist. >:(
I dont actually read any papers as I know how full of junk they are.
I have however worked for many years in the benfits agency and have seen with my own eyes how much people get.
Yes there are people in this country who have lots of children, my own aunt has 10 children but has never ever claimed a penny in benefit for them. It galled me and the chairman that this guy thought he'd done the country a favour producing mouths to feed. I know that there re english people who have done this and I dont agree with that anymore because they are white. If you dont work for the money to feed them or cant afford to feed that many then dont have them.
Yes there are many immigrants that work hard, but there are also very very many who dont who think we owe them a good standard of living in alot of cases far better than some of our own hardworking people manage to acheive.
Im not racist I just dont believe that immigrants should be given lots of benefits, what ever country they chose to live in, , if they have been given shelter from whatever they have been unfortunate to be running away from the least they can do is be grateful for what they get and get working as quickly as possible and pay thier own way. I also dont believe british ex pats should be able to claim from countries abroad
My own husband was made redundant earlier this year, filled in all the forms and when we got our money £87.00 per week , no mortgage payments, nothing else and it took 4 weeks for this to come through. we got nothing for our twin toddlers, and were told we should have known to have claimed tax credit and it now wouldnt be back dated. As far as we were concerned we filled in the forms we were told to. We also got penalised on our benefit for the fact we had some savings, and i'd love to know where I can get a £1 interest per week on a £1000, which is what the dole dock you for your savings. Fortunately it only took 4 weeks for my husband to get a job, because yes there are jobs out there if you actually want to work!!
I''d be betting if we werent english then we would have had better explanation of what we could claim. Cynical I may be, but sadly this is the truth of the times we live in.
Ive just discovered my own parents arent getting the right amount of pension, they should be getting pension credit. Of course my parents accept what they are given and it took me a year to get through thier pride and get to the bottom of what they were getting. They are just greateful they have something to live on and dont question whether its right.
My mother has heart problems and its taken an age to get treatment for her because she always tells the doctor she is fine, even though she looks grey and like death warmed up and walks at snails pace. It was only last week when my sister insisted on going to the doctor with her that we discocvered that her heart problems were very serious and she had a DVT which would have killed her by Xmas. She is house bound and cant walk more than 100 yds, yet she gets no attendance allowance and no help, something I am trying to sort out right now.
Does it get my goat when people come to this country and expect to be spoon fed, too flippin right it does. Why do they come here because our welfare system is so easy.
Does it get my goat when english people would rather sit on their bums and claim benefits because they would be worse off working because they have created so many children, yet it does.
Does it get my goat when youngsters cant be bothered to go to work because its too much like hard work yes it does.
I was brought up to work hard and earn for what I wanted. I was brought up that if you cant afford to buy it with cash dont buy it.
As for treatment on the NHS, when I needed treatement I had to go abroad to get it, as it wasnt available on the NHS as having a family for me despite suffering from a condition which meant I couldnt have kids, was classed as a lifestyle choice. Treatment I needed would have cost £10,000 over here privately it cost a quarter of that abroad and the treatment was far and above the standard available here.
Am I proud to be British hell no. If that makes me racist then its a sad world.
I don't really give a monkeys f@rt what other people are getting as long as I get mine. I get indignant in an argument, but that's come to be expected from a lot of us, I expect we are fed propaganda from dubious scources, just to get our backs up.
my family and I were educated, had health care, family allowance, free milk and orange juice when I was a nipper, subsidised morgage at one time, get all the over 60 freebies, there was a fallback if I wanted it on social (lucky me, never needed to yet). So can't really complain. There are immigrants down this way working in horticulture, but they are keeping the veggy prices down in the shops with p!ss poor wages. I only see coloured faces in the hospital (not a problem) because they don't seem to set up home down here.
Some of you must live in high immigrant areas and suppose they are getting it made easy for them. But you must have all had it easy at one time, now it has been taken away, it is easy to blame the immigrant. It keeps you off the bankers back.
Remember that the law states that an asylum seeker is NOT ALLOWED to work. so they have no choice by to live off benefits while waiting for their case to be decided. I am surprised no one mentioned this earlier.
I also just want to say that yes there will always be people ripping off the system. But despite what some papers say I think it's a pretty miserable existence being an asylum seeker or illegal immigrant, always looking over your shoulder and not knowing where your next meal is coming from. I am not sure it's a way of life many of us would choose if we had an alternative. How many of us would try their luck in a boat from Iraq, Iran or Burma, to try and cross the Indian Ocean to get to Australia, only to realise that you'll be sent back, if you don't sink.
Or risk your life crushed in a container to be smuggled into Europe from Afghanistan, or wherever...
I am a foreigner in my new country, yes I have claimed benefits and still do, family allowance etc. And I work, but even if I wasn't I would still be contributing to the economy. Don't forget that even people who are on benefits or even illegals still pay VAT and indirect taxes ... so something still goes back into the coffers...
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(illegal immigrants, by the very nature of their illegality, can't claim a penny, btw)
But they can, it seems, drive a car whilst banned; kill a British child - and be given permission to stay in this country.
This is coming on as a good debate.
If we take this idea on further then some people (immigrant or European) have work that pays so low that they automatically are eligible for working tax credits family tax credits etc. So who actually benefits from this. Well the individuals do, but only just as they work hard and scrape by. The employers do because they can get work done on the cheap and can undercut the competition.
The general population benefit because they can buy goods at a reduced price, we all want a bargain don't we. Whether it is a cheap spade from Wilkinson's or something bought at the local market or car boot sale.
But then it seems as if every bargain that looks to good to be true is too good to be true. It is a race to see whether the money saved will allow us the pay the tax later. Now it seems we are moving our "costs" over the the generations that follow. Makes me think that in effect we have all been living in one huge Ponzi scheme. The money is running out and we may find out the none of the emperors have any clothes on at all.
One other thought is that with all this debt around the world where is all the moiney coming from to lend and cover the debts?
Bill
Short answer: don't know, but apparently huge areas of USA business are now owned by China!
Quote from: Grandma on December 16, 2010, 16:53:08
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(illegal immigrants, by the very nature of their illegality, can't claim a penny, btw)
But they can, it seems, drive a car whilst banned; kill a British child - and be given permission to stay in this country.
I don't think it really matters that the child was British or not, a child is a child. Any child's death is awful.
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01
Having worked in Benefits fraud and in appeals trubinuals I have to say that there are alot of people from abroad abusing our welfare system.
Stap me, that comes as one hell of a big surprise, I don't think.
valmarg
I don't mind who gets what as long as they have worked for it to the best of their ability. Its the lazy sods that don't want to work but get every benefit that is available to them that pee me off.
Quote from: Grandma on December 16, 2010, 16:53:08
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But they can, it seems, drive a car whilst banned; kill a British child - and be given permission to stay in this country.
This is where it all falls down ???
You wonder how many are going to be 'advised' to have children to guarentee staying. In fact he probably was........
Personally I don't get it deporting him won't preventing having a family life he'll just have to do it somewhere else. Which is fine by me.
I was chatting to someone recently who has a wife with severe health problems & was refused DLA mobility. They appealed & a doctor was sent out to examine her. He didn't need to as he could see what her problems were. He had been to someone else in the area who was living in terrible conditions who lived next to assylum seekers who had had the house renovated by the council & refunished etc. They did a runner & took whatever they could with them.
I know a white British man, born and bred in the UK who murdered many girls in the Ipswich area.
I have read about other white British men doing awful things, trashing houses, being armed and robbing banks, not paying any maintenance for their children, defrauding the Government by not paying income tax, claiming benefits whilst working....need I go on?
My point? People always pick on foreigners, black people, the Irish, Asians, gays and anyone else that doesn't fit into their own little white pigeon holes.
What a lot of racists you are on here. ::)
I really don't think that last remark was called for.
There may be some folks on here that are prejudiced but I would suggest that they are in the minority
I think that we are all aware of the fact that there is good and bad in all
nationalities.
It is actually rather difficult to get into the UK. My new daughter-in-law from the far east, although they married, found it almost impossible to join my son in UK under current rules. It took us nearly 2 years to complete the paperwork; she got permission to join us here for 27 months only. During that time she is forbidden any form of benefits.
One reason for the difficulty is that my son is partially disabled and supports himself by part-time self-employment plus tax credits and housing benefit. She is allowed to share this very low income, and she is allowed to work if she can find a job.
This time next year she has to apply for permission to stay with us permanently. The conditions under which she can stay will be even more stringent because if she is permitted to stay, she will then be allowed to access benefits. I am dreading next Christmas for this reason.
My sister works with immigrants in an advice centre, in many cases very young ones from wartorn areas, and with surprisingly complete paperwork considering the chaos their countries are in. The ones with no papers or incomplete ones cannot be helped by this centre - it is only the best-equipped who can be taken on. She is constantly heartbroken at the stringency of the regulations which search for loopholes in their papers, and send them back.
I am sure there are cases of immigrants who manage to play the system and cheat and lie to obtain benefits - but I know from experience that many honest and often vulnerable people somehow fail to convince the Entry Clearance Officers, through oversights, confusion, misunderstanding, lack of effective legal representation in tribunals, time limits they did not know about - and disappear back into dreadful conditions.
I follow an on line advice site for people seeking spouse visas of the sort we have achieved (temporarily) and it makes terrible reading.
After all this debating I think that I deserve a nice cup of tea and a long sleep.
I've worked in housing for 15 years now, first for local government and now for a charity, and have to put a couple of things straight here:
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01
Immigrants do get far more than our people, they get houses over our own people, then whinge they arent big enough,
No one from abroad is given a higher preference for housing than a UK citizen, just because they are from abroad. In fact the vast majority of people from abroad are excluded from applying for social housing of any kind. People from abroad who do qualify to apply are given preference mostly on exactly the same grounds as people from this country, although if they are applying as homeless they are treated less favourably. This does mean that if their circumstances are bad enough, they will get more preference than a UK citizen whose circumstances are less bad, but this is not because they are "foreign", it's because their living conditions are horrendous. The "foreigners get preference for housing" thing is a myth that was extensively put about by the BNP during their election campaign and is unfortunately believed by many people.
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01they get loads of benefits all of which they can claim having been able to have forms translated for them by an interpreter paid for by our government, something I dont think nmany other countries would go to the expnse of doing.
Again, most people from abroad don't qualify for any benefits. Those who do, qualify on exactly the same basis as a UK claimant. Most claims these days are made over the phone; where claim forms still exist they are all in English (if they weren't, the claims assessors wouldn't be able to understand them to assess the claims) - occasionally applicants with no English can get some help filling them in from organisations like CABx. It's possible that the DWP might sometimes give some help over the phone to help applicants understand the claim forms, but I've never actually heard of this happening.
Hope this does not add fuel to any fires - but too often I've heard opinions put across as fact which are, well, just not.
Merry Xmas! xx :)
Thanks for those replies now I am in the picture.
Didn't expect the item to be discussed so fervently.
I did have a gut feeling it was a bit far fetched, but I always think in terms of;
there is no smoke without fire.
so I guess such propaganda will smoulder on for quite some time yet!
Right!! what are we going to discuss next! ??? ::) 8)
Quote from: electric landlady on December 19, 2010, 18:18:19
Quote from: brownowl23 on December 16, 2010, 09:08:01they get loads of benefits all of which they can claim having been able to have forms translated for them by an interpreter paid for by our government, something I dont think nmany other countries would go to the expnse of doing.
Why should we tax payers pay for interpreters. If you were in France or Spain (for example) and needed hospital treatment you would be expected to bring along your own interpreter. The local government/NHS provides this service for free. WHY? It costs the country millions of pounds a year, and should not be FREE.
valmarg
Why is it racist to want what's best for your own people?
Because you are being selective.
If it is good for you it should be good for every one else
What is the problem about equality
???????????????
I warn you.....Don't get me started on this......
Communism doesn't work, which is why there can never be equality.
Communism does work... as a theory. Putting it into practice is where it falls down. I'm not a communist btw... before you start! ;D
Theory communism works providing every one wants it to.
Now all those of you who are bible punchers.........take another look at what Jesus says
The closest thing to communism is PURE christianity.....
Neither will work because most people are too self centred.
Big shame because the christian churches are in a perfect place to do the necessary
Thong is organisation is dead
"Then let us pray that come it may,
(As come it will for a' that,)
That Sense and Worth, o'er a' the earth,
Shall bear the gree, an' a' that.
For a' that, an' a' that,
It's comin yet for a' that
That man to man, the world o'er,
Shall brithers be for a' that."
(bear the gree =take first place)
Ah well, Rabbie, it seems like we're still waiting!