I have often noticed that in films and TV programmes the Americans call biscuits (or is it Bisquets?) something which looks like what we in the UK call scones.
These seem to be served with savory dishes.
Knowing we have some contributors from across the pond with experience of Anglo/American cultures. Not to mention baking skills.
Can I ask for some insight on this?
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/tyler-florence/buttermilk-biscuits-recipe/index.html
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/paula-deen/biscuits-recipe/index.html
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bobby-flay/buttermilk-biscuits-with-butter-and-honey-recipe/index.html
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/southern-biscuits-recipe3/index.html
A US biscuit is a scone.
XX Jeannine
Jeannine that would be incorrect.
the difference is two things scones are sweeter and usually contain eggs.
Biscuits usually use self rising flour and lack eggs.
I would agree with you if you were right but I make both quite regulary and my recipes are very clear and concise.They both have eggs . I also make beaten biscuits that I run through a meat grinder rayher than beat them..they don't have eggs
XX Jeannine
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080731073245AAVfeLw
They are talking about the fillings and the way you serve them not the recipe.
Joy of Cooking proabably considered the best book in the US have both scones and biscuits.
Both have flour eggs sugar butter or lard etc etc
The difference is in the way they are usually used.
You forget I have published 4 cookery books..you can't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs, you are going online to find out and you are only looking at some examples, even looking at your one quote contradicted you if you had read further on. You are wrong as you don't know what you are actually looking for so you can't get an overall answer in the places you are looking Sorry PL but you are wrong this time.
XX Jeannine
Jeannine any one with a few hundred quid can be published and
citing your self is form of fallacy.
longalot what a load of tosh!
Citing yourself when you have the experience and knowledge as Jeannine has is well worth others knowing about and learning from.
I think youre both right and both wrong. Theres not a single definitive recipe for a scone or a biscuit becuase they evolved from home cooking so there are regional and country differences and then individual differences that people were taught when they were learing to bake. The recips arent that different so you could call a scone a biscuit and viceversa. Two nations divided by a common language and all that. Scones in the uk are usually sweet. Some uk recipes for scones have eggs some dont. I thought the op was asking about the southern style biscuits that are served with gravy for breakfast/brunch that are savoury and have no eggs and usually have buttermilk in them.
I think Jeannine is talking what we call Cobblers
that is a cobbler is an unsweetened scone for savoury dishes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobbler_%28food%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobbler_%28food%29)
I have a whole heap of scone and biscuit recipes, some are sweet some are savoury, the point is they really are all bascically the same thing wherever they come form and whatever they are called, that is the point.
Well we have proved something tonight anyway
Buglossi a US cobbler goes on yop of a sweet dessert. ::)
Shall we do cookies versus biscuits next.
Can't stop laughing now..time for bed I think,
XX Jeannine
Oops back to do the spelling mistakes.
PL your comment about me being citing myself is a falacy is a fallacious remark on your part.. gota go this is just to daft. Lighten up, where's the sense of humour;D
Quote from: Jeannine on August 15, 2010, 13:59:07
I have a whole heap of scone and biscuit recipes, some are sweet some are savoury, the point is they really are all bascically the same thing wherever they come form and whatever they are called, that is the point.
No, if something is sweet and has eggs in it can't possibly be the *same thing* as something that is savoury and has no eggs. Theyre similar in that the basis is flour/fat/liquid but theyre not the same thing.
Aah just going to sit and relax with a cuppa and a ....erm...ah...oh something sweet and crumbly ;) ;D
::) ::) ::) Macmac
Language is amazing isn't it - I remember the confusion when I went to the states as a kid - soda was a classic, why would I want to drink soda water I thought?! Took me ages to figure it out, Doh!! Oh and Weequeenie mentioned gravy - US gravy, from what I remember was totally different !
Oh well off to drink a soda (with lime and ice..... )
1066 :)
What I really want to know is what these different delicacies are eaten with. Is there a rule about how they are served and when. Are they eaten instead of bread made with yeast perhaps?
I was also wondering if it is true that sweet pancakes or waffles and maple syrup are eaten with bacon and eggs, all on the same plate but perhaps now I am asking too much.
the classic dish that goes with biscuits is southern fried chicken ,Collard greens and mashed potatoes.
If your is still confused by biscuits.
You can go with corn bread instead.
Biscuits, the proper English ones such as digestives, go with a nice cup of tea!
http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/index.php3
Hi all, :)
My other half who is a merkin, says look at the Dennys menu
here http://www.dennys.com/en/menu.aspx?menuid=56&parentid=40 (http://www.dennys.com/en/menu.aspx?menuid=56&parentid=40)
to see that yes, bacon and eggs are served with waffles etc, this also happens at McDonalds in the states and at Disney Worlds Polynesian Resort breakfast (one of my favourites). They will hold the meat for us veggies though.
A lot of people in the states will use Bisquick brand mix to make biscuits and use the recipe on the side of the box. They don`t taste the same or have the same texture as UK scones as they are made with buttermilk which is naturally sweet but they are OK to eat whenever they are served. Commonly with gravy for those who are into that.
Either way, enjoy your food, Col ;D
QuoteYou can go with corn bread instead.
last year I regularly made corn bread using disneys recipe its delicious.
;D
Makes my mouth water just thinking about it
You can't dunk corn bread in your tea it goes all soggy.
Waffles, maple syrup, Canadian bacon and eggs - bliss!! ;D
Quote from: Flighty on August 15, 2010, 18:30:18
Biscuits, the proper English ones such as digestives, go with a nice cup of tea!
http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/index.php3
You could call digestives British or Scottish, but theyre not English.
Maybe not but both digestive biscuits and a cup of tea are icons of England.
http://www.icons.org.uk/nom/nominations/digestive-biscuits
Quote from: Flighty on August 15, 2010, 19:23:49
Maybe not but both digestive biscuits and a cup of tea are icons of England.
http://www.icons.org.uk/nom/nominations/digestive-biscuits
along with Chicken Tikka Masala and several bottles of Cobra lager :)
Quote from: Flighty on August 15, 2010, 19:23:49
Maybe not but both digestive biscuits and a cup of tea are icons of England.
http://www.icons.org.uk/nom/nominations/digestive-biscuits
Shame England cant invent its own icons and has to steal them from elsewhere eh?
I thought Mcvities orginally came from Edinburgh.
Please sir
What are collard greens?
That is interesting columbus
Thanks
collard greens
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collard_greens
Good morning all, I see you have been hqaving a great culinary discussion wjile I have been sleeping.
Collards =UK Spring Cabbage,almost
Digestives are Graham Crackers, almost .And in this case the cracker is sweet like a biscuit (UK )not a biscuit (US) which would be a scone,but also not like a usual US cracker which is savoury, more like a US cookie.
Pancakes..US style are higb risen and served with whipped cream and various sweet sauces,,eg blueberry
Or as I cooked today, with smoked streaky bacon cooked till crisp, scrambled eggs and thin all meat pork sausages, with first a pat of butter between the 5 inch panckes that are stacked on top of one another John has 3 , a short stack, then with loads of Pure Maple syrup poured over the stack and running into the sausages and eggs...
Now for dinner tonight , well supper here, I am cooking Flapjacks for afters.. but UK flapjacks of course not the US ones which are.........
We have cookies (biscuitsUK) with tea, usually has a label on a string dangling out of the cup in a restaurant, and they dunk doughnuts here not cornbread.
I don't know anyone personally who uses Bisquick for making scones/biscuits by the way it isreally not liked for that and I know the recipe is on the box,. Oh and by the way I posted a recipe for home made Bisquick last week. We use it for making Impossible Quiche.
What a hoot.
XX Jeannine
Corn bread sounds interesting. Can it be made wheat free?
The collard greens (thanks for the link) 'look' to me more like a chard than spring greens but of course it is the taste which makes the difference. I can not say that I have ever seen them in a UK shop, may be they do not grow well here.
I love looking at fruit and vegetable markets abroad and seeing varieties we do not have. Usually hotel and restaurant food is not any thing like what the locals would 'eat at home'. Quick cook for profit, perfectly understandable.
I recently found out that digestive biscuits cannot be called 'digestive' by US law, they were invented as a medical aid for sufferers of gas/wind. Apparently the word digestive could be misunderstood to indicate that they are medically beneficial to that system.
A very useful biscuit, can be served sweet with chocolate. Savory with cheese and they make a good base for cheesecakes.
Do they still make Huntley and Palmer's 'Breakfast biscuits?
Dunking in tea?, you can't beat a Hobnob for that.
Collards are identical to spring greens PH and we do get digestive biscuits here.
Cornbread is made from sweet corn flour not wheat.
XX Jeannine
perhaps when Jeannine has a moment she can move on to "Graham Crackers", and tell us whether eating them really suppresses Carnal Urges :o
this thread has reminded me of cornbread - which I've never made but have eaten. So I was looking at recipes on line and found several but some of them seem to add Polenta to the mix. Is that a new-fangled thing? Or are they actually better with it added?
the best one I had was a sweetcorn bread starter from Terre a Terre in Brighton - served with a salsa and avocado - YUM!
1066 :)
Jeannine are you in the US or Canada?
I am not going to get into an argument about scone and biscuits, to me they are interchangable, but I must tell you about the ones I made on sat,
note I didn't say scone or biscuits but I am a Brit living in Canada about 5 miles from the Rainbow Bridge, and entrance into New York state.
back to what I was making on sat. well all I can say they were the worst hockey pucks any one ever made, you know they didn't even rise a teeny bit. and I had a new can of BP, and I even used thick sour cream , you know the stuff that goes sour instead of bad... hey ho tomorrow is another day. qahtan
fruit scones, ;-)) and plain scones waiting for jam and cream, yum
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/qahtan/bake/101_0034.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/qahtan/bake/scones-1.jpg)
Qahtan they look delicious, and I'm sure that one or two would go down very well with a cup of tea! :)
They look smashing.
Tip, if they don't rise, put them through the food processor till you have crumbs, them make apple crumble with the crumbs, just add fat and sugar and pretend it is flour, it works a treat.
Buglosso . Graham crackers..do you know something I don't know??
PH I am in Canada but almost on the US border(20 minutes drive) so I do a lots of my grocery shopping there.
XX Jeannine
not to get to puny but my gram once got me a box of graham crackers from US military base shop in the UK.
they were very interesting and had cinnamon and sugar on them.
Hastings, sorry I missed your question, Polenta IS cornmeal,which is from corn as in sweet corn or maize.
military base ??? When I was in the UK they were called army camps. Your petticoat is showing again , those US phrases, words and spellings my my;D ;D
XX Jeannine
Quote from: Jeannine on August 17, 2010, 06:43:26
Hastings, sorry I missed your question, Polenta IS cornmeal,which is from corn as in sweet corn or maize.
Thanks - didn't realise that, so learnt something new today :)
Quote from: Jeannine on August 17, 2010, 03:45:27
Buglosso . Graham crackers..do you know something I don't know??
Jeanninho, Rev Graham thought eating bland foods would stop naughty thoughts I think. Like Mr Kellog
We invented Football instead for a similar reason :)
I see, I must have been napping while thinking of that one XX Jeannine
I may well have a go at corn bread making since I can eat cornflour. I think in the UK we call it cornmeal because cornflour is a thickener called corn starch in the US. It can all get very complicated.
The tip with stale scones is a good one to make a crumble topping, in fact the moment they go cold, I think of them as stale! I actually had some do'nuts go stale and turned them into crumbs and used them as a crumble topping, have also used both when doing a treacle tart.
I feel sure that lots of recipes were made up to use up left overs and have become tasty favourites. I hate waste and am constantly finding ways to avoid it.
Some one told me that scones were always made in their farmhouse when the milk turned a little sour to use it up. Cream of tartar should be added to the flour if the milk, used to bind, is not sour. I did add cream of tartar to my mix and to be sure the scones were better for it.
Does any one still do cheese scones? They were quite an afternoon tea time fad at one time, as a savory, buttered and served, open, often with a prettilly arranged slices of cucumber on top. No doubt that was to get rid of the sour milk and stale cheese.
We are so lucky to have our fridges and plastic containers. Cling film and tin foil.
=Jeannine
They look smashing.
Tip, if they don't rise, put them through the food processor till you have crumbs, them make apple crumble with the crumbs, just add fat and sugar and pretend it is flour, it works a treat.
PH I am in Canada but almost on the US border(20 minutes drive) so I do a lots of my grocery shopping there.
XX Jeannine
Thanks Jeannine, yes I have done things like that before. ;-)))))
I see you are almost as close to the US border as I am.
though I haven't been over there in some time now as my passport has run out, but they do have stuff over there that no way can we get in Canada. My daughter goes over quite often she has just renewed passports, 2 adults and 4 children, that hurts.. she crosses at Sarnia to Detroit, we sometimes used to do Fort Erie to Buffalo but most used to be Niagara Falls, Canada to Niagara Falls, New York,,, have you ever been over to this side,, you are British aren't you, qahtan
Qahtan, I don't think you need your passport, you can use your citizenship papers or if not a citizen yet you use the other document , the landed immigrtant one, orI never took out citizenship so I have this card. cost me $30 but it is for life. If you have an enhanced driving license I think that works too but it must say enhanced on it and you can ony get it if you have been in the country for 3 years. My passport is British.
I have my card in my hand , it is a Permanent resident card, I think that is enough. My passport runs out in a bout a month so I will check and let you know for sure.
XX Jeannine
My last passport ran out a few years ago, but the last time I went over the border the customs told me it was almost out of date,,,,,,,
We have been in Canada 44 years and have been a citizen for 34 years.
we always used to take our passport plus our citizen papers.
We do have Canadian passport, well I think Gerry's runs out this year, as he went back to UK when his brother was very sick,,,,
I think if you renew your British passport as it was it is now Northern European, and its dark red....... qahtan
I just checked it out, I can't go with just my permanent residence card and no passport but apparently John can as he is a citizen, and if you have the enhanced driving license which you have to be a citizen to get you don't need your passport. This is only good if you are driving a
cross..different of you are flying in and out. At least that is what customs just told me.
My UK passport runs out on the 21st Aug in a few days, I better make that US trip tomorrow or I am out of luck. it is taking 12 weeks for a passport renewal currently.. I am an idiot, I can't think why it slipped my mind.
Thank you for reminding me to check!!
No I have never been over that side,we always seem to go South..
XX Jeannine
I have family in Sarnia and friends in Quebec.
I have made them without eggs..... qahtan
The US are going to start charging for their Visa Waiver in October. As these last for two years, if you need one, get one straight away.
They can be applied for on line.
Canadians don't need visas
We are British subjects with Canadian citizenship. Checked with our customs at Rainbow Bridge. They said we do need an up to date passport to be able to return to Canada.
British visitors need their passport plus they have to pay $6 entrance into the U S. to be paid at the U S side.
But that wiil allow them multiple visits until they return to UK then the paper has to be handed in at point of exit..........
qahtan