Hi, today I spoke to a very upset plot holder, 2 plots away from me, who was telling me about the problem he was having with his brassicas, I said Club Root and he said yes BUT.... he then went on to describe the fact that it has come out of the manure about 2 years ago. English was not his first language and I got dead scared when he said it was a disease in the manure.
My first thought was the same problem Tee Gee has but I thought it didn't bother brassicas, and wondered if we have two problems here, club root in the ground and soemthing else in the manure.
Can anyone help me as I have brassicas in.
XX Jeannine
It does seem to affect brassicas. I have a few very sick looking cabbages. It seems to need a higher concentration. But if cabbages are having a problems then beans and potatoes and courgettes will also be struggling. In courgettes the leaves point upwards.
http://www.gardenorganic.org.uk/organicgardening/herbicide_damage.php?dm_i=4UO,6RPJ,AWWKP,GS0E,1
In brassicas leaves have gone rather strappy and misshapen like the beans do. Certainly not forming hearts.
I would be rather surprised if it still affected brassicas after two years. I still have a few mild signs in beans carried over from last year but the less susceptible cougettes and brassicas are doing fine.
I have one very small bed where nothing at all will grow normally from this years manure. Think I will put in some sweet corn. It is too late to produce cobs anyway I would not want to eat them but at least the roots with break up the manure and allow the bacteria in.
The misshapen leaves are very different from any other problem. They tend to be rectangular. Also the leaves of things affected are much more brittle than normal ones.
I supposed the only thing to say on a positive note is that AP :o is not a disease and that sooner or later the bacteria in the soil will break it down.
AP :o is a pain but at least you can see the affects. It has made me wonder what is in the veg we buy from the supermarket which we cannot see.
It looked like clubroot XX Jeannien
If your brasaca are doing fine now then there is nothing to worry about, you will sharp know if you had club root as the plants wilt when they are young plants not mature ones. Keeping your soil on an alkaline PH as apposed to acidity helps, also does Calcified Plus.
Club root is a fungi so it can be spread on the sole of you shoes so take care about who walks on your soil.
My thoughts are that the disease may have been imported from a different source other than the manure as it would be wider spread on the allotments.
Hi Jeannine,
When we had a definite widespread weedkiller contamination problem, cabbages were the only things that thrived. we though we'd cracked the secret of growing prizewinning savoy's until the bigger picture emerged.
Whatever the problem is, it's unlikely to be weedkiller.
Cheers
Thank you, I was more concerned about the Ami??? problem than the clubroot, and he didn't seem to understand what he was talking about. I will ask the powers that be though as we have acommunal manure heap and they should know. I guess reading all the manure probs I got scared!! There seems to be other brassucas growing on other plots. I wonder of he uses the same spot over and over again.
Thank you all. I feel better now
XX Jeannine
Hiya
I dont think that dows aminopyralid products got relicensed in canada after early damage in 2006/2007 so there shouldnt be any problem in your manure. So long as no future product with it in is licensed that is.
funny that having club root is a cause for relief!!
good luck
x sunloving
QuoteI dont think that dows aminopyralid products got relicensed in canada
I do not think this is the case unfortuneately.
But I think it is still a good plan to test all manure with broad beans just to make sure. It can however be very patchy. I have two beans grewing on a manure heap I know has contamination and they are very bonny indeed. I also have a bucket of peas which are also growing on neat manure and doing fine.
Sorry folks but I have brassicas which are suffering and quite a lot of my brassicas are showing oddities when they flower and a greater number than expected are not hearting up. And I have a nasty idea that quite a few of my sprouts are going to blow open. I planted some of them on contaminated areas. I do not think I would have noticed they have a problem but they are not as happy as the others. Leaves looks slightly odd.
Also I have problems with beans grown on compost, so I am now convinced that putting contaminated plants in the compost even if they show no signs of a problem is a bad thing.
It was re licensed mid June this year with the proviso that if used on pasture the hay from that field could only be used by that farmer and if mnaure was produced with the crop from the field, the manure had to be used by the original farmer too who should be aware what to use it on. So as I said in a other post.If I go to that farmer and ask to sell me /give me a bale of hay or load of manure, he should say no. :-\XX Jeannine