For all those interested I will be post and explaining my early tomato start set up,answering questions and posting few pictures. explain the why and where for in the chat room.
on may 1-2 at 10 pm BST / 9pm GMT / 4 pm EDT.
see you there
Quote from: plainleaf2 on May 01, 2010, 07:02:47
For all those interested I will be post and explaining my early tomato start set up,answering questions and posting few pictures. explain the why and where for in the chat room.
on may 1-2 at 10 pm BST / 9pm GMT / 4 pm EDT.
see you there
Sounds like a night off from the 'chat', to me!!
Aw Tone
I think as we are often asking Plainleaf to clarify is growing methods this maybe a good idea. XX Jeannine
And a chicken might get lips
if peeps are interested in his methods they can email him direct,i enjoy going in the chat room for general chat not for " plainleafs question time ".
Quote from: grotbag on May 01, 2010, 20:30:43
if peeps are interested in his methods they can email him direct,i enjoy going in the chat room for general chat not for " plainleafs question time ".
Quite Grottie. The chat room is not the place for this.
G x
that what chat rooms are for interactive info transfer.
Quote from: plainleaf2 on May 01, 2010, 20:50:21
that what chat rooms are for interactive info transfer.
I agree with your statement here plainleaf! good luck with this :)
you are an hour early in 'chat',?
guess i used wrong time zone conversion chart since i got my time correct it is 4 pm + now
This is my fault, Plainleaf suggested to me that he could meet me in the chat room regarding the early tomato setup last week and I said maybe to offer it on the forum as others may be interested. I meant this sincerely, he agreed to this on the other post and said he would post a time .I did not intend for it to cause a problem or embarrassment for any member on the forum .
XX Jeannine
I don,t see how its your fault Jeanine, if he has something to post or photos to put up about any topic then why the chat room there is plenty of places to start a thread. He has in the past been asked to put up or shut up and to date he has done neither. His last excuse for no photos was that his camera was broke.
As far as i am concerned he is just a bullshitter.
No apologies for the straight talk people but that's how i feel about him.
Jeannine there's certainly no need to apologise! xx
Unfortunately in the past he has been offensive and threatening to other members which dismayed many of us. On any other forum he would have been banned for such behaviour.
As far as I'm concerned that's not something that can, or should, be forgotten or forgiven.
You misunderstand me.
I am aware of Plainleaf not following through with info and as this was something I was keen to hear about, I told him my interest.
I have to be truthful I wasn't sure he would follow through but believe in giving folks a chance, even if on other occasions they have not been helpful or in fact been difficult, it is not my job to decide why, he gave me a couple of answers on the forum and said that he would send me a picture, he also offered to meet me in the chatroom to explain it to me in more detail , I wasn't sure he would go in there but again gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I requested that he post the offer so that other folks could join in ,he agreed to that. So from my point of view, he offered info, he expanded on that, he offered to answer questions to the whole forum and he did in fact send me the picture. Whatever Plainleaf might have done in the past I make no excuses for but in this instance he followed through exactly as he offered without exception.
He apparently went into the chatroom too early and I missed him. I do believe the chatroom is for just that..and the point was he was going to chat about his tomato method, I fail to see how this could be considered the wrong reason to be there,I just don't understand that.
It is in fact my fault that he was there as it was at my request,and judging by another post it had caused some ...well something and for this I take the blame.
I repeat I did not want it to cause a problem or embarrassment for any member on the forum ..I will add,on this occasion this includes Plainleaf.
XX Jeannine
Flighty I respect your opinion very much, but I disagree with non forgiveness , I do believe folks can make amends however I will continue to disagree with Plainleaf when need be or in fact tell him off in strong terms if I think he is out of order but he has been very accommodating on this occasion.
Quote from: Flighty on May 02, 2010, 09:21:29
Jeannine there's certainly no need to apologise! xx
Unfortunately in the past he has been offensive and threatening to other members which dismayed many of us. On any other forum he would have been banned for such behaviour.
As far as I'm concerned that's not something that can, or should, be forgotten or forgiven.
I've not been on here much [as I'm usually out setting up gardens in schools!], but this chap seems very similar to a chap on a forum that I moderate on and yes; he is frequently banned for abusive posts and just keeps coming back.
I didn't know there was a problem with Plainleaf, and as I was interested in how anyone grew their tomatoes and anyone who could give me advice on blight I went into chat last night and found Plainleaf very informative and friendly.
I found the regulars the odd ones as they came into chat en masse more than ever at any one time I would think. I have to confess to smiling to myself as it all seemed so childish but everyone to their own.
The only thing I would ask is who decides what is talked about in a chat room? I don't see the harm in a one off discussion on a certain subject especially when it could be a benefit to us growers. But, I am sure some one will put me right.
As a chatroom belonging to an allotment forum, it was indeed the perfect place for such a discussion. As long as conversations stay within the rules, the chatroom is there for anybody to talk about anything they like. I hope this clears things up :)
I have only been on here a few months but have picked up on the plainleaf2 "story"
I didn't realise the forum even had a chat room until his post. :-[
The discussion in the chat room varies greatly according to who is in at the time. Often there are a number of conversations on the go at once and no-one decides the subject, it just happens. Gardening usually gets a mention either in passing or in detail but it's much more than that - we have a laugh and we support each other in our personal trials and share times of joy. So it's friendly and fun in the main. But I stand by my previous post. The chat room is not the place for people like Plainleaf2 to 'hold court' when his motives for doing so are far from clear and when he has a long history of being (at best) unpleasant and has broken the house rules many times. I think the reason the chat was so busy last night was because many others shared this view - not because we are 'childish'.
G x
The chat room is for what anyone wants to chat about. I'm fully aware of plainleaf and his history, but why shouldn't that conversation take place in the caht room which is open for all of us to talk aboout whatever we wish to talk about.
Quote from: amphibian on May 02, 2010, 18:53:42
The chat room is for what anyone wants to chat about. I'm fully aware of plainleaf and his history, but why shouldn't that conversation take place in the caht room which is open for all of us to talk aboout whatever we wish to talk about.
No-one is saying we can't discuss Tomatoes in chat. But some of us take exception to Plainleaf2.
G x
: Georgie well then it is fair. since i take exception to you and them to, but then again, it is there fault for starting the fights in first place and using bad language.
Quote from: Georgie on May 02, 2010, 20:15:59
No-one is saying we can't discuss Tomatoes in chat. But some of us take exception to Plainleaf2.
G x
If you dont like whos in chat or what the chats about then surely you just leave and go back when its more to your liking. Isnt that the adult thing to do.
Quote from: weequinie on May 02, 2010, 20:33:47
Quote from: Georgie on May 02, 2010, 20:15:59
No-one is saying we can't discuss Tomatoes in chat. But some of us take exception to Plainleaf2.
G x
If you dont like whos in chat or what the chats about then surely you just leave and go back when its more to your liking. Isnt that the adult thing to do.
I think you are missing the point. Clearly no-one is ever going to like/agree with everyone on a forum or in a chat room. But I do not see why someone who behaves like plainleaf2 should be encouraged or even allowed to continue posting here. Why should one individual spoil the forum for the rest of us?
G x
Whilst it may not be the same thing, I only ever used efnet on irc for chat, so I dont understand the chat room thing yet. I could always talk to who I wanted and those who you didn't want could be barred from entering the chat merely by not disclosing the channel you were on.
As for plainleaf2 I have no idea of the history and so I can not judge the person.
However knowledge is power as they say and my personal experience at the risk of offending those here who do know the history is that any knowledge is welcome whoever the source as long as it is factual and not at the detriment of the user.
So, Georgie are you saying because I went into chat last night an spoke to Plainleaf about tomatoes I am encouraging him.
I don't know the history of Plainleaf and who has any arguements with him I genuinely went to chat to find out other views of how people deal with blight.
If they are that bad why haven't they been banned from this site?
Quote from: Sinbad7 on May 02, 2010, 20:50:36
So, Georgie are you saying because I went into chat last night an spoke to Plainleaf about tomatoes I am encouraging him.
I don't know the history of Plainleaf and who has any arguements with him I genuinely went to chat to find out other views of how people deal with blight.
If they are that bad why haven't they been banned from this site?
No, if you don't know the history it's not your fault. I think those that do are all asking the same question.
G x
Sindbad, no one's history here is hidden, so you could look at Plainleaf's past posts yourself if you wanted to (though I have to say there are probably lots of other things to spend half-an-hour doing...)
And as for 'if he's really that bad' he is now banned from A4A.
well if he is banned howcome he is in the chatroom?
Quote from: grotbag on May 02, 2010, 21:38:07
well if he is banned howcome he is in the chatroom?
Just what I was wondering. :(
G x
Thanks triffid, I didn't know that but I think I do have better things to do than reading peoples history and if they are banned then that is that, everyone should be happy now then and peace reigns once again.
Sinbad, sorry about misspelling your name. :-[
The member's posts history facility is kind of handy sometimes when you remember that one of the clever bods here on A4A (TeeGee, Jeannine and Supersprout all spring instantly to mind ;) ) said something brilliant about something in particular and the regular search thing doesn't turn it up. ;D
Grotbag, Georgie: I'm confused about that myself. But I think A4A's chatroom is part of the same system as the forum. I don't know the mechanisms of it (being bit of a numpty about site hosting arrangements), but in the past, when the A4A site has crashed, the chatroom was still open and working.
But here's Plainleaf's membership status... http://www.allotments4all.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=9226
We were told he was banned at 21.15, and he posted at 21.52. How come?
I think it might be the same as our forum; they stay on once banned until the system kicks them out or they log out......thus they can still post until the banning kicks in - depending on the set up of the forum.
Quote from: Robert_Brenchley on May 02, 2010, 22:10:37
We were told he was banned at 21.15, and he posted at 21.52. How come?
he's still in chat @ 22.25!!
No problem with the misspelling triffed I probably have sindbad ;D
Quote from: Georgie on May 02, 2010, 20:41:35
I think you are missing the point. Clearly no-one is ever going to like/agree with everyone on a forum or in a chat room. But I do not see why someone who behaves like plainleaf2 should be encouraged or even allowed to continue posting here. Why should one individual spoil the forum for the rest of us?
G x
Whether he's allowed to post here is up to the moderators and site owner, while he is, let's be grown up about it. If you think he's a wind-up merchant then these reactions play into his hands rather.
I quite like the fella. ;) :P ;D ;D ;D
He's an irritant, but he'd cause a lot less mayhem if he was just ignored.
Quote from: Robert_Brenchley on May 03, 2010, 13:45:53
He's an irritant, but he'd cause a lot less mayhem if he was just ignored.
As is so often the case if someone is on a wind up, ignore or engage in a careful manner, they're then left with the choice of integrating or giving up. I've worked on forums before where trolls have been assimilated into productive posters, if handled carefully. It is hard to ban someone permanently, so best to learn to live with them if you can.
I am not taking sides here and I want to stress that, he had said some awful things to folks and I have retaliated and told him so, I don't know why but it did seem to me that there was a element of childishness in them so maybe he had a mental problem,not going much further into that, but in the case of this post he had tried to be a productive member of the forum. I tend not to hold grudges so would give any member the benefit of doubt or another chance whatever you wish to call it. Perhaps what amphibian is talking about may have happened here with him.
The problem I have with all this is..if he did in fact have some sort of a mental problem that produced some of the things he said and the way he said them..then I would not feel right judging him, we all have friends or relatives, or know someone who has a mental problem and acts very inappropriately but generally we do not refuse to talk to them as we realise the problem.
I have a son with mental problems who has said some rather disgusting things when angry or put down, yet he would not deserve to be shunned.. I do not know the person in question other than what I have read so cannot really make a decision. I have heard some very inflammatory and offensive things said by many members over the years though, some directly to me but as I don't hold grudges I still interact with them even though sometimes it is not easy.
nuf said.
XX Jeannine
Quote from: Jeannine on May 03, 2010, 23:06:08
I am not taking sides here and I want to stress that, he had said some awful things to folks and I have retaliated and told him so, I don't know why but it did seem to me that there was a element of childishness in them so maybe he had a mental problem,not going much further into that, but in the case of this post he had tried to be a productive member of the forum. I tend not to hold grudges so would give any member the benefit of doubt or another chance whatever you wish to call it. Perhaps what amphibian is talking about may have happened here with him.
The problem I have with all this is..if he did in fact have some sort of a mental problem that produced some of the things he said and the way he said them..then I would not feel right judging him, we all have friends or relatives, or know someone who has a mental problem and acts very inappropriately but generally we do not refuse to talk to them as we realise the problem.
I have a son with mental problems who has said some rather disgusting things when angry or put down, yet he would not deserve to be shunned.. I do not know the person in question other than what I have read so cannot really make a decision. I have heard some very inflammatory and offensive things said by many members over the years though, some directly to me but as I don't hold grudges I still interact with them even though sometimes it is not easy.
nuf said.
XX Jeannine
I agree with everything you have said.
Well said Jeannine!
What if is all well and good but we can only judge him by his actions and words here.
If he has problems then what he does is understandable, but if he doesn't and he's allowed to continue as before then he'll be laughing at all of us.
Regardless there are limits which as far as I'm concerned he has gone way beyond on several occasions and I am not prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on the basis of what if.
Two thoughts here, if one must judge someone one can judge negative or positive, if it is someone I don't know and I suspect he is ill I am not going to judge him badly,why would I. I am the grown up here
Actually I would not judge him at all. I would feel I was kicking a person while down if I was mean or shunned someone I believe has a mental problem, I would expect most people to think this way XX Jeannine