http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3OedIuaZto
bloody scary stuff !! Please watch all parts, then think again about using this companies products!!
I started watching this and switched off.
I think I'll watch the rest of it now.
Thanks for that Tony! Quite horrific. Still watching.
Horrifying and terrifying. I hate these reminders that these are the people that run our planet. :(
..into section 7. Just off to grab some lunch. This is really riveting.
OK finished now. Phew :o :o :o :o. I've put the link on FB too. Question is what to do? I feel fired up and deflated at the same time.
There's a lot to watch, but yes, rivetting. >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: grawrc on January 13, 2010, 15:01:10
OK finished now
Question is what to do? I feel fired up and deflated at the same time.
stop buying anything (roundup) made by Monsanto??
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Quote from: grawrc on January 13, 2010, 15:01:10
OK finished now
Question is what to do? I feel fired up and deflated at the same time.
stop buying anything (roundup) made by Monsanto??
Well I don't do that anyway!
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Quote from: tonybloke on January 13, 2010, 18:41:59
Quote from: grawrc on January 13, 2010, 15:01:10
OK finished now
Question is what to do? I feel fired up and deflated at the same time.
stop buying anything (roundup) made by Monsanto??
Well I don't do that anyway!
well said Anne!!
This is the documentary "The World According to Monsanto", about GMO, which is a Eugenics Operation to murder billions of humans
nothing like keeping an open mind
Bugloss 2009, have you watched it??
personally I think Monsanto are the Spawn of Beezlebub, starting with (for me) the hatchet job they tried to do on Rachel Carson, but I think what the poster of the video says doesn't bode well for a sensible film
Just finished watching it, it is very disturbing.
They talk about GM corn from South America coming to Europe, and I've just realised that the layers pellets I buy for the chickens contains GM ingredients.
It's also making me think twice about using glyphosate - seems it's not as harmless as they say.
I'm going to go slightly off topic here, although still related. So apologies in advance.
As I am about to get a kitten I have been investigating cat litter brands and one of the most highly rated appears to be "World's Best" cat litter. Reading through the small print on their website I came across this:
WORLD'S BEST CAT LITTER™ is made from a natural organic material, whole-kernel corn, as opposed to an inorganic material such as clay. Even though WORLD'S BEST CAT LITTER™ is not a food product, it is made from the same corn varieties approved by the USDA/EPA/FDA and EU (European Union) for use in both food and animal feed products. It is safe for cats and cat owners.
Now would this be GM corn?
If so a bit of a bummer since it seems like a good product, but I don't want to use it if it has GM corn.
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made from a natural organic material
If it says that and it isn't actually organic then they're in some bother. It will say on the packaging who certifies it as organic. If it is organic I'm pretty sure it won't contain GM - I'm not 100% certain because I don't know if zero GM is a Soil Association thing, or an organic thing - Soil Association's standards are a little higher.
I seem to remember, on the Monsanto videos, they said the the GM corn was approved in the EU for animal products. Also The use of the word "organic" is as a comparison with "inorganic" clay, so they might be "playing with words".
Anyway I'll pop into the pet shop and read the label. I suppose I could email them too.
See here (http://www.mpmproducts.co.uk/worlds_best_cat_litter.asp?in_section=worlds_best)
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but the thing we're probably most proud of is the organic, all-natural characteristic of our litter
It doesn't appear to be certified organic so unless I'm mistaken they shouldn't be using that word
organic. I suggest you report it to trading standards. The word
organic has specific protection in the UK.
Here you go (http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/advice/advice-business-fdproductsum7.cfm).
That was very much my line of thought. How do you know it's not certified organic?
I'm assuming it's not because it's not really obvious, and they'd have to include the certifying organisation in the packaging which I don't see - like the Soil Association logo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_certification
if it has not been certified, it ain't!!
and this doesn't mention 'organic'
however, if it's mass produced in the US, then it's probably not organic.
have you watched this, yet? (oscar nominated)
http://milledrive.com/videos/29660/Food
Tony, does the word organic have a special meaning for food only? My suspicion is that this cat litter marketing blurb is breaking the regulations, but do the regulations apply to cat litter?
Sorry I got distracted watching Tony's "link". It made me want to get militant again! :o :o :o
I'll get back on the cat litter on Monday.
I am up to number 6 now. I have to admit I have never given a great deal of thought to this subject just only bought seeds from non GM sellers.
I found the part about the milk very scary especially as the USA are OK with it but that the UK, Canada and Europe have banned it. Very scary for me as I live only 20 minutes from the US border and do a lot of my grocery shopping over the line. I always buy milk, cheese etc there as it is much cheaper than in Canada . After watching this I shall definitely opt to pay the higher price for dairy products and buy here.
Thank you Tonybloke, you certainly changed something for me!!! I never would have thought to question there would be a difference.
What other revelations can I look forward to !! I think I will stop buying US Tofu too.
Boggles the mind.
XX Jeannine
Alongside this discussion has anybody watched jimmy from Jimmy's farm in Brazil? The programme on BBC1 is about the future of farming and is very disturbing.
Hundreds and thousands of hectares of soya beans with NO WEEDS, you just 'know' this is a Monsanto modified crop (IMHO In case any Monsanto lawyers are reading this) and as is pointed out in the programme this soya is in almost everything all over the world. Scary!
OK I'm back on the hunt this morning. GPC pet products who produce "the world's best cat litter" are an American company based in Iowa so their product which they describe as organic is almost certainly made of gmo corn. This is authorised in EU for food products as far as I can make out??? Certainly cat litter would be OK in EU but cats sometimes eat litter + buying this product is in effect supporting Monsanto.
Also came across the following which has lots of interesting info and links:
http://www.naturalnews.com/021784.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/021784.html)
Monsanto have bases in the UK in Cambridge, Southampton and Kings Lynn.
I started another thread on that one, Ann !
http://www.allotments4all.co.uk/smf/index.php/topic,57435.msg586143.html#msg586143
Quote from: Unwashed on January 16, 2010, 23:27:54
Tony, does the word organic have a special meaning for food only?
Nope, the term 'organic ' also applies to non - food products, such as cotton carrier bags supplied by the Co - op, clothing, (inc some egyptian cotton sheets, mmmmmmmmmmm), fertilisers, etc. so, not a 'food - only' issue.
;)
In the GPC blurb their use of "organic" is as opposed to "inorganic" so they are playing a little semantic game imo to give the impression that the product is organic in the sense of additive free.
any way Ann, have you thought of using a compost - based cat litter? (you know, Compost ;) )
then you could compost it seperately? (after use)
Good idea! I'm still seeing what's available - 20 years since I last had a cat. Things have moved on (if you'll pardon the pun!) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: grawrc on January 17, 2010, 13:15:12
In the GPC blurb their use of "organic" is as opposed to "inorganic" so they are playing a little semantic game imo to give the impression that the product is organic in the sense of additive free.
It's a game they're not allowed to play. See here (http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1082239044).
here's more 'food for thought' from monsanto, story about Fox News stories being 'buried' Monsanto, and on other Rupert Murdoch News Channels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1pKlnhvg0&feature=related
I'm afraid I can't watch the videos because they keep buffering every few seconds. Yesterday I tried the Youtube Downloader but I only get sound on it. I am not sure if this is because OneTel is my provider or that my computer is several years old.
It's not all the videos because I had no trouble watching the one about Fox News, it's just the Monsanto ones that are too big.
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Quote from: grawrc on January 17, 2010, 13:15:12
In the GPC blurb their use of "organic" is as opposed to "inorganic" so they are playing a little semantic game imo to give the impression that the product is organic in the sense of additive free.
It's a game they're not allowed to play. See here (http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1082239044).
There's a difference between "organic" and "Organic"..... ones a chemistry/biology term, the other has a legal meaning.....
THey're sharp though.....
chrisc
Yes they are and more thanI realised. I did a quick inspection of the packs of litter in Pets at Home today and the word "organic/Organic" is nowhere to be seen.
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I'm afraid I can't watch the videos because they keep buffering every few seconds. Yesterday I tried the Youtube Downloader but I only get sound on it. I am not sure if this is because OneTel is my provider or that my computer is several years old.
It's not all the videos because I had no trouble watching the one about Fox News, it's just the Monsanto ones that are too big.
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press the pause' button on bottom of utube screen, 'til the buffer bar progresses some distance along, then you can press 'play' button and watch. ;)
Thank you Tony, I will try that and see what happens.
Tony, where is the pause button please? I couldn't find one anywhere. :-\
Thank you for your pm Tony explaining how to pause the video. All is well now and I have downloaded and played the first two.
It is certainly an eye opener. Against my wishes, my OH sprayed Roundup on two of my six vegetable beds last year to get rid of nettles and docks. I have some tubs in which I grow a lot of vegetables so I intend putting them in one of the areas that has been sprayed, on top of weed suppressant fabric. The other area I will use for growing cut flowers.
The problem is that I have not been able to control the weeds on the beds for the last couple of years due to ill health and it is always a bone of contention between OH and myself. Thankfully, my health is better this year so I hope to get the areas cleared of weeds when the weather is not so cold.