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Title: windows 7
Post by: dtw on November 17, 2009, 19:14:06
I just bought it today to upgrade my laptop and get rid of ghastly Vista which stops a few bits of my hardware from working (the manufacturers aren't supporting vista).
So I will be able to transfer old home movies from mini-DV tape via USB and connect to my new phone.

So if you don't hear from me for a while you will know it went horribly wrong and I will have to restore a backup or start from scratch rather than upgrade.

Anybody else got it?
What do you think so far?
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: GRACELAND on November 17, 2009, 19:18:25
keep us updated :D
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: BarriedaleNick on November 17, 2009, 19:19:26
Got it installed on my new PC and love it.
Be aware though that if there are no drivers for it under Vista then it is unlikely that there will be support in Win 7.
However support for legacy applications (not written for vista or 7) is better under 7 as it basically runs it under an XP mode.

Also I wouldnt upgrade as you tend to inherit problems and Win 7 upgrades are often problematical.
To see if your existing setup supports winows go here..  http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1b544e90-7659-4bd9-9e51-2497c146af15&displayLang=en

It may save a lot of heartache.. >:(
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: Chrispy on November 17, 2009, 19:21:10
I have used the beta on a friends laptop, did not see anything that would want me to upgrade from XP.
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: GRACELAND on November 17, 2009, 19:34:04
 :)

I have xp

But The pc is 8 years old now so might have to soon  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: lewic on November 17, 2009, 20:25:35
I've tried the beta version on an old PC and it was fine. Way way better than Vista on a new laptop so I think you will get a pleasant surprise if you upgrade (which is probably just how Microsoft wants it, as they have now sold you two operating systems)

From past experience I would always format the hard drive and install from scratch rather than upgrading and trying to keep the files intact.

I'm waiting for it to appear at our local car boot sale before upgrading  ;)
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: dtw on November 23, 2009, 22:29:39
I finally got my pc the way I want now after loads of hassle.

I did a full backup before upgrading, installed 7, it failed starting services and wouldn't go any further.
I had to use my Vista recovery disks then attempted to restore the backup to get all my data and applications back, the backup wouldn't restore.
I had to start the recovery again, installed vista SP1, SP2 and loads of updates.
I found out the original failure was due to my antivirus and antispyware.
I didn't install these or any apps.
Then the upgrade worked.
I restored my data and re-installed my applications.
I haven't connected my new video camera yet.

When you type the product key, don't type the dashes. GRRRRRRR!!!!!

watch this space...
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: dtw on November 25, 2009, 18:39:02
It didn't connect to the camera, as the original disk which came with it is needed and cannot be downloaded.  :(

I shall have to record from the firewire port direct to my television dvd recorder and convert from DVD to AVI using flaskmpeg.

BTW the new version of flaskmpeg doesn't work with windows 7, luckily I still have the old version. :D

If you want it, it's on my website http://www.davethewave.co.uk/Flaskmpeg-that-works-on-windows-7/flaskmpeg.zip (http://www.davethewave.co.uk/Flaskmpeg-that-works-on-windows-7/flaskmpeg.zip)
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: GRACELAND on November 25, 2009, 18:50:45
 :D :D

FUN N GAMES
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: lewic on November 25, 2009, 19:04:44
Against my better judgement I suckered myself into buying the full 64bit version yesterday. Upgrade-itis  ::) Thought I was doing a clean install from XP but it just copied the XP files into a folder called 'windows.old' and installed W7 on free space. Which turned out to be quite handy when copying documents and pics back.

Scanner and 2 year old printer don't work. Is possible Canon will bring out a print driver eventually but the scanner is probably destined for Freecycle as its quite old. So I will probably have to buy a new multifunction jobbie. Will try installing/running the scanner under virtual XP-Mode, but suspect this might be rather annoying in practice. On the positive side, my ancient version of Photoshop that everyone said wouldnt work, starts up in a flash!

Seems rather more user friendly than Vista so far.

Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: GRACELAND on November 25, 2009, 19:10:15
 ;)

Seems rather more user friendly than Vista so far.

Good to know
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: greenfists on December 02, 2009, 22:07:45
Ive been using it for a day or two and its brilliant.
I did an upgrade from Xp and it went fine.
Ive never used Vista as the early reports were so bad.
Windows 7 however is how things should be.
Its feels modern and smooth and this is on a 3 year old laptop.
By the way if anyone you know is a student they can get it for £30 from here
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/education/studentoffer/
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: dtw on December 11, 2009, 20:38:55
I still use my old version of photoshop (7.0), I find that the newer versions don't have any useful extra features anyway. (and would involve extra expense)  ;)

It's still running ok, I had to run some older software in XP mode, but once the icon is setup that's it.
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: chriscross1966 on December 13, 2009, 07:02:40
Almost any Linux distro will kick it into next Tuesday for speed, especially on older hardware... I switched to Mandriva at home a year or so ago and wild horses wouldn't get me back to windows now... I have to test using it all day at work, when I get home I want an OS that doesn't need to use half the available processor time just to run security apps....I'd agree 7 is better than Vista but you really are talking about it being nicer to have urethritis rather than syphilis......

chrisc
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: BarriedaleNick on December 13, 2009, 09:17:39
MMmmm typical Linux evangalist!  ;D

Let me see how much AVG is using at presnt - 1500k of mem and 0% processor.  Think I can live with that.
Linux is fine if you like spending your life finding drivers and messing around with config files but I just want to come home - Play Call of duty at full res - check my mail - mess around on the web etc - My Win 7 sys is fast and, for me, productive.  Linux is like giardiasis - quite rare but messy and unpleasent none-the-less!
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: dtw on December 13, 2009, 10:27:19
Linux is ok if you just want to browse the internet, but when it comes to installing applications, it is ridiculously complicated and instructions for doing so are very hard to find.
I have tried various versions of it and just can't get along with it.
I use a lot of applications which aren't available to run on it.
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: emmy1978 on December 13, 2009, 18:57:22
Quote from: greenfists on December 02, 2009, 22:07:45
By the way if anyone you know is a student they can get it for £30 from here
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/education/studentoffer/

Good to know  ;D 
Glad 7 better than Vista. I reinstalled my xp after despising Vista more than anchovies. By the way...Windows 7 was MY idea!
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: dtw on December 15, 2009, 23:45:37
Batch files work correctly in 7, I still use them for opening multiple programs in one go.
Vista would pause on certain types of file (e.g. txt) until you had closed it then continue.
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: Garden Manager on December 21, 2009, 11:59:58
A while back we bought a new laptop installed with vista but with an option to upgrade to 7 as it wasn't long until 7 came out. To cut a long story short we thought vista was causing problems with our otherwise XP wireless network, so decided to take up the offer of the 7 upgrade (£18 for shipping and insurance but otherwise 'free'). It duly arrived and was about to install it when i read on the internet about a problem that had come up with 7. The 'black screen of death' in which the computer screen without warning would go (unsurprisingly) black and the computer would then need rebooting to restore function. Apparently some windows update had caused it. Consequently i decided not to install 7 on my machine for the time being.

I was wondering if anyone else had come across this business of the black screen of death and if so has it been fixed/be fixable. i like the look of 7 and think it would be worth having but not if it causes my computer problems.
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: BarriedaleNick on December 21, 2009, 12:05:31
GA - the black screen of death was not caused by an update but by some malware issues and also affects othe Windows systems lke XP..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8388253.stm

I'd go for it - Windows 7 is nice - back up your pics/docs/music first tho...
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: Garden Manager on December 21, 2009, 12:12:25
Quote from: BarriedaleNick on December 21, 2009, 12:05:31
GA - the black screen of death was not caused by an update but by some malware issues and also affects othe Windows systems lke XP..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8388253.stm

I'd go for it - Windows 7 is nice - back up your pics/docs/music first tho...

Thanks. The black screen of death thing must've been misreported then. Someone wanted to have a pop at 7?
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: Larkshall on December 21, 2009, 13:59:30
Quote from: chriscross1966 on December 13, 2009, 07:02:40
Almost any Linux distro will kick it into next Tuesday for speed, especially on older hardware... I switched to Mandriva at home a year or so ago and wild horses wouldn't get me back to windows now... I have to test using it all day at work, when I get home I want an OS that doesn't need to use half the available processor time just to run security apps....I'd agree 7 is better than Vista but you really are talking about it being nicer to have urethritis rather than syphilis......

chrisc

Now,now, Chrisc, don't keep rocking the boat. Realise that most people like to hand their hard earned (or not) cash to Bill Gates Pension Fund. It's nice that they can afford it, I can't. I like that fact that Mark Shuttleworth gave us $10,000,000 so that we don't have to pay for software.
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: chriscross1966 on December 21, 2009, 17:35:12
Quote from: BarriedaleNick on December 13, 2009, 09:17:39
MMmmm typical Linux evangalist!  ;D
....
Linux is fine if you like spending your life finding drivers and messing around with config files but I just want to come home - Play Call of duty at full res - check my mail - mess around on the web etc - My Win 7 sys is fast and, for me, productive.  Linux is like giardiasis - quite rare but messy and unpleasent none-the-less!

Been a while since drivers were an issue, with Mandriva you just stick the live disk in, let it get itself up to a desktop then hit the "Live Install", when it finishes you tell it about your wireless security (or give it an ethernet connection and set up your wifi in the sensible manner) and you're away....

I'm not a gamer so they're not on my list of things to do.... just internet access, some music stuff, electronics CAD.....

chrisc
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: chriscross1966 on December 21, 2009, 17:40:39
Quote from: dtw on December 13, 2009, 10:27:19
Linux is ok if you just want to browse the internet, but when it comes to installing applications, it is ridiculously complicated and instructions for doing so are very hard to find.
I have tried various versions of it and just can't get along with it.
I use a lot of applications which aren't available to run on it.

Get a version that uses rpm (Mandriva does, loads of others do to)... as long as it's got a graphical front end then you call that up (Software Installer, RPMDrake, whatever they call it it's all just the same thing, just reskinned).... go to the section in which it's likely that you will find it (Office, Games, Sound and Video etc) type in some keywords and search or just scan through (I try to scan through every few weeks cos the list is ever growing) and you will probably find an app that does what you wnat, sometimes two or three... click their checkbox and hit Apply... it'll just do the rest for you ..... easy.... yast adn yum work in the same way too though I'll admit that the Apt-get system is a bit harder it is immensley powerful if you get used to it

chrisc
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: artichoke on December 21, 2009, 18:03:45
Second the Linux. OH is a computer buff, and moved over to Linux a few years ago. The Black (blue?) screen of death and yells from his office are a thing of the past.

We have a son who installs anything necessary.
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: BarriedaleNick on December 21, 2009, 18:41:19
Truth is that Windows 7, OSX and Linux are all fine operating systems all with pros and cons and all suit different folks.  There are even other alternatives!
Problem is that there is so much guff spouted about them all that it has turned in a polarised debate with people on all sides getting ridiculously carried away and insulting each other (not talking about this forum but you should see some of the others..)

I like to play games and I run a largish network of Windows PCs for work so I have windows at home. Never had a problem paying for things I like  ;)
Fellow worker likes to tinker and is into music so is a Linux man of an evening.
Lots of art and media studies guys like to use OSX.

Personally couldn't give a monkeys who uses what as long as there is a choice out there..
Title: Re: windows 7
Post by: telboy on December 22, 2009, 22:44:57
Interested in this thread.
Have a happy desktop(XP) & decided to buy a 'cracking' laptop(Win7).
All's well until I try to connect my HP scanner. It seems that there are no drivers for the Scanjet 5300C.
Any help would be welcome!