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Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: Duke Ellington on November 16, 2009, 19:34:18

Title: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Duke Ellington on November 16, 2009, 19:34:18
Is there something I can use to make my leaves break down faster! I cant use shreader vac because I collect my leaves away from home.

Duke
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: betula on November 16, 2009, 19:57:45
They do take ages and some are horrors,they take forever.

I suppose if they are shredded someway they will break down quicker but I don't know any other way.

Remember they do not add nutrients,just act as a soil improver.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Sholls on November 16, 2009, 20:02:36
I find tipping the contents of my Bokashi bin in accelerates the process dramatically.

I have a 330 litre compost bin that I use exclusively for leaves. On Friday it was full to the brim, I sprinkled in some of my fermented kitchen waste on the heap & it's already half the size. :) Before I had the Bokashi I used to add comfrey or chicken pellets; the decomposition wasn't as quick, but it certainly speeded things up.   
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: betula on November 16, 2009, 20:08:53
Could you explain how the Bokashi bin works please?   :)
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on November 16, 2009, 20:11:28
Nitrogen would help, and you produce than in convenient liquid form. Go pee on them!
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: davyw1 on November 16, 2009, 20:23:52
Chempac compost accelorater or Garotta
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: betula on November 16, 2009, 20:31:52
I have used all the above on the compost but never thought to do it on the leaves,never really needed to .

I have got a huge amount so no need   :)
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Georgie on November 16, 2009, 20:41:40
I mix mine with grass clippings.

G
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: cambourne7 on November 16, 2009, 21:20:28
It was recommended to me that you pop them into a black sack pee on them tie the bag and leave for a while.

Never tried it.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: powerspade on November 17, 2009, 04:44:54
Dont buy shop bought activators - just pee on them
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: PurpleHeather on November 17, 2009, 07:22:43
There was a guy from those gardens in London on the TV the other morning and he said that they put the rotary mower over the leaves to shred them and the worms then turn them into soil over night.

Seems that it does not damage the mower doing it.

It is boy pee which is better for breaking down compost. It contains something girl pee does not have (probably beer). And boys have a natural facility to hose it on to where it should go,  it stops them leaving the seat up if they are sent out to the compost bin too.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Sholls on November 17, 2009, 10:19:53
Quote from: betula on November 16, 2009, 20:08:53
Could you explain how the Bokashi bin works please?   :)
This link (http://www.bokashi.com.au/How-Bokashi-works.htm) will explain. (It's a great system if used correctly, i.e. be liberal with the Bokashi bran).
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: macmac on November 17, 2009, 10:27:22
Well now I know what ti is ???
Somebody gave me one of these bokashi bins and I had no idea what it was but I've been making comfrey concentrate in it all summer and it works a treat :)thanks Sholls
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Duke Ellington on November 17, 2009, 11:32:04

Quote from: PurpleHeather on November 17, 2009, 07:22:43

And boys have a natural facility to hose it on to where it should go,  

My leaf mould bin is 4x4 feet  square ...I think some men would still miss the target ::)

Duke
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on November 17, 2009, 20:19:02
Depends how sober they are. If you can't hit the target, go in a bucket and pour it on. I'm a bit sceptical about this boy pee/girl pee thing, as its the nitrogen which is important, and pee is how we excrete broken down protein.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Unwashed on November 17, 2009, 20:24:08
Bokashi.  So that's like a bucket from the £shop, but it costs £60. 
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: terrier on November 17, 2009, 22:12:18
I use a builders bag (1 cu m) for leaf mould. First time I used one I didn't fill it where I wanted to store it, then it was so heavy I couldn't move it!  ::)  Never thought of using a dalek bin for leaf mould, might try it this year to see if they rot any faster. There's squillions of RED worms in the midden, anyone know if they would be good to add to the leaves?
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Slug_killer on November 17, 2009, 23:03:17
As already said in some other recent leaf collecting thread ...

I collect about 40 Green bags from the local 'hood, tip a few bags at a time onto the lawn and use the mower to shred. This all goes into a 1m cubed bin that's open topped to allow the rain to keep the whole lot moist.

As and when I can get grass clippings (not just mine, but also green bag fulls put out by neighbours), I mix this in. Although its a 'cold' composter, the grass helps warm it up to a temp ideal for microbes.

From about April onwards I turn the whole lot once a month and by November (ie 12 months) its ready to be tipped out ready for the next lot.

You can do it quicker (I think Kew does it in 12 weeks), but you need a much larger volume and lots of manure to get the temp. high.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Sholls on November 17, 2009, 23:16:26
Quote from: Unwashed on November 17, 2009, 20:24:08
Bokashi.  So that's like a bucket from the £shop, but it costs £60.  
Unwashed, as with everything in life it pays to be informed & then shop around (or build your own).

Back OT, I'm eyeing up the sycamore tree on the verge across the road... a dawn raid with the leaf vac might be in order tomorrow.  8)
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Slug_killer on November 18, 2009, 13:36:23
I understand that oak leaves are one of the quickest to compost, but I cant remember where I read that.

Magnolia are one of the slowest as they are thick and waxy, Holly leaves take forever - same reason.

80-90% of my compost is Aesculus hippocastanum (conker leaves), 5-10% Quercus (Oak), but I have three big magnolias as well.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: GRACELAND on November 18, 2009, 13:44:11
while on the leaves theme ,what do people do with evergreen trimmings ie laylandi

i usually take to tip  :(
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: PurpleHeather on November 19, 2009, 07:00:33
Quote from: Duke Ellington on November 17, 2009, 11:32:04

Quote from: PurpleHeather on November 17, 2009, 07:22:43

And boys have a natural facility to hose it on to where it should go,  

My leaf mould bin is 4x4 feet  square ...I think some men would still miss the target ::)

Duke

True, they seem to manage other targets which are considerably smaller with it alright though and in the dark.

Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Baccy Man on November 19, 2009, 20:50:00
Quote from: GRACELAND on November 18, 2009, 13:44:11
while on the leaves theme ,what do people do with evergreen trimmings ie laylandi

Last week I trimmed 42 90' tall leylandii trees to just below ground level the trunks will be seasoned then sold for use as firewood the rest will be used as mulch. What other use does a leylandii have?
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: star on November 19, 2009, 21:10:26
Leylandii trimmings (shredded) on paths smell lovely and take ages to rot away........like BM says.....not good for much else really
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Unwashed on November 19, 2009, 22:09:27
Quote from: Sholls on November 17, 2009, 23:16:26
Quote from: Unwashed on November 17, 2009, 20:24:08
Bokashi.  So that's like a bucket from the £shop, but it costs £60.  
Unwashed, as with everything in life it pays to be informed & then shop around (or build your own).
Gosh, you're right.  Look (http://www.originalorganics.co.uk/bokashi.htm?gclid=CMjml8aImJ4CFVBd4wodoluclA), you can buy a Bokashi bucket for less the twenty five quid - and you'll get a whole year's supply of Bokashi fairy dust for just a snip over sixty quid.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Digeroo on November 19, 2009, 22:17:19
Fermented bran - sounds like the waste from a beer factory. 

Got a nice bucket with hinged lid and handle free from local authority to carry kitchen waste to my compost bin.

Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Sholls on November 19, 2009, 22:24:58
Quote from: Unwashed on November 19, 2009, 22:09:27
Quote from: Sholls on November 17, 2009, 23:16:26
Quote from: Unwashed on November 17, 2009, 20:24:08
Bokashi.  So that's like a bucket from the £shop, but it costs £60.  
Unwashed, as with everything in life it pays to be informed & then shop around (or build your own).
Gosh, you're right.  Look (http://www.originalorganics.co.uk/bokashi.htm?gclid=CMjml8aImJ4CFVBd4wodoluclA), you can buy a Bokashi bucket for less the twenty five quid - and you'll get a whole year's supply of Bokashi fairy dust for just a snip over sixty quid.
If you wish to discuss the merits, or lack thereof, of the bokashi system it would be better to start a dedicated thread.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Unwashed on November 19, 2009, 22:38:37
Quote from: Digeroo on November 19, 2009, 22:17:19
Got a nice bucket with hinged lid and handle free from local authority to carry kitchen waste to my compost bin.
Nah, it'll never work, it has to be a Bokashi bucket, but you can pick one up for under twenty five quid if you shop around.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: peterjf on November 20, 2009, 00:08:37
the leaf mould will rot down faster if you turn it at periods, maybe spread it around too in the area you have it stored
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Slug_killer on November 20, 2009, 12:56:57
Quote from: GRACELAND on November 18, 2009, 13:44:11
while on the leaves theme ,what do people do with evergreen trimmings ie laylandi

i usually take to tip  :(

Leylandii and other conifers/pines gets used on paths , The Holly and The Ivy, goes to the tip.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Susiebelle on November 20, 2009, 13:41:18
I use shredded conifer clippings as mulch for my Blueberry beds, I was told they add acid to the soil and have used for three years very successfully.
Title: Re: LEAF MOULD~how can I speed up the process?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on November 20, 2009, 16:46:19
Conifer needles definitely add acid, as they produce lots of humic acid as they rot. I'm not sure whether the wood does or not.