I am so cross many of you will remember we have been having a lot of trouble with the kids in the street including the 17 year old next door.
well it would appear his mum has gone away for holiday and left him to his own devices well the other evening (friday) him and a load of his 10 to 13 yr old friends were in his garden and i could hear them but not see them,
i didnt check the garden the next day cos of the monsoon weather but today when i went out there you can see what i found there is no way this was rain damage and if you look carefully you can see footprints there is no way that these onions will recover and i want to rip the kids heads off it feels like the straw that broke the camels back i am so angry ??? >:(
What is his mother thinking of?From what you have posted before she knows he is a problem.
Really sorry deb can imagine how you feel. :(
criminal damage, debster, it's not been done by accident :-\
ive just walked past him in the street and he practically ran indoors, his mother is away at the moment im in two minds what to do about it for a start its trespass them coming in my garden anyway and at 17 he should know better
Deb, so sorry you had this --- suggest you have a word with Mum as it ammounts to tresspass
as it looks as if he/they were in your garden.!
Know it's difficult as they are direct neighbours but with the right words and as long as she knows
how upset you are, you may get a result, if not you may try the community police ?
floss xxx
Personally I would tell his parents that this has happened. I would expect an apology, money back for the damage and also his labour to replant a crop (I know you might not get the onions in now, but you could get something else in). If the parents are not on your side then tell them you will report him for trepass and criminal damage. Then report this to the police to try and scare him into correcting his behaviour.
I sympathise Debs. If I was you I'd contact the police and explain the situation. Here there's a local safer neighbourhoods police team who would certainly deal with something like this.
Get the Police involved. It's so important to report every incident as it establishes the pattern of behaviour. They'll probably say there is nothing they can do beyond maybe having a word with him but it's on the record then for next time. Sorry you're having to put up with these morons.
I dont have any onions but I have some garlic you could have?
Debs,
From you're post earlier, that the lad next door ran indoors to avoid you, makes me
think he has a conscience, is it more his mates than him perhaps -- maybe in with the wrong crowd,
peer pressure and all that, not your problem but his parents/ mums.
A community officer maybe able to sort that out ?
floss xxx
thank you Hector thats very kind but i have plenty of garlic and i wasnt counting on my onion crop cos ive never managed to grow any yet perhaps i know why now.
i know the community police officer so i think i will get in touch with him
a conscience i wish he is 17 and plays with little kids in the street and leads them on although most of them dont need much encouragement
when i tackled him before he told me that he had spoken to the council and that they told him that they can do nothing about his behaviour cos his mum owns the house and that neither can the police when i told his mum this she said he is a liar we dont even own the house
Debs, sorry to hear your having problems again, and to see your hard work ruined.
Just to correct the 17 year old, the council and police can do something about him regardless of whether or not they rent or own. Its easier for the council to deal with it if they rent, but not impossible if own.
And as Ceres said, log it and report it, every incident needs to be known so they can establish a pattern and can then get involved.
Still concerned a 17 year old needs / wants to hang around with 12 & 13 year olds - very odd!
Hope his mum's back from her holiday soon!
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Deffo ring the old bill, is strange though hanging around with these young kids. ??? >:(
Debster - what a nightmare.
I would be wary of calling the police as you have to live next door to him - his mother would possibly prefer you to talk to her first - so that she may be able to talk some sense into him.
If you call the rozzers first she may take umbrage and you need to live next door to her.
Hopefully you will be able to sort out this monster! With luck he may get himself a girlfriend and move away!!!
Good luck anyway - it must be so miserable for you!
Old Bird
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So sorry debster. Is his mom a reasonable sort of person or not. If she is then I would tell her. The trouble is that some parents think that the sun shines out of their kids butts. A difficult situation if the latter is the case. I do hope that get it sorted.
Without a doubt get the police in and they can take casts of the footprint and then go and see him and if they match it with him or any of his mates then they will have to deal with it and hopefully charge them wouldn't that be a nice surprise for his mother to find out what her little to rag gets up to when her back is turned dont let them win report it and he will know he is being watched.
Moonbeam - take a look at the larger picture! - Debs has to continue to live next door to this family - and calling in the police is not going to make their relationship rosy! Also I doubt that the police will call - as - and I know how upsetting it is to you Debs - but it isn't criminal damage or anything like that and to be honest it is trivial in the whole scheme of things.
Debs I am not belittling how you feel - I would be very very upset myself - but it may make your life more difficult if you can't sort it out with his mum and call in outside help.
Old Bird
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It is criminal damage. Debster has tried sorting it out with the mother and it clearly hasn't worked. The bigger picture is that her life continues to be made a misery by out-of-control teenagers.
Go to the police. That's what they are there for, to protect decent people from this type of pond scum.
don't know what to say to cheer you up deb ??? hopefully the doggy lifejacket going in the post today might help! x
Depending on what type of people they are I would tell your neighbour what has happened in your garden and then say you are going to get a CCTV ( you can get them at a reasonable price) as what has happened in your garden is trespass and when you have caught the culprits on CCTV you will show it to the police as you can't live like this anymore and you'll let the police take it further.
I wouldn't act as though you know it's her son that did it. Just that something has got to be done about the situation. And who knows it could be her garden next.
Then think chickweed:))))))))))))))))
Quote from: Sinbad7 on June 09, 2009, 23:18:30
then say you are going to get a CCTV
I think this is a good idea but personally I'd go for dummy CCTVs at first because they'll cost you next to nothing but might just be all the deterrant that's needed. I work in security and there's probably some broken or dummy cameras in the store room so if you're interested, I'll ask about them. More than likely you'll get them for free but as they weigh a little bit, you'd have to cover the postage.
Whose fence is it Debster and does it form the boundary between you and the 17 year old youth? If it belongs to the council it may be worth taking your pictures to show the damage and then get them to repair the fence.
Once that is done you could grow some really prickly shrubs along the border to stop any recurrence.
thanks so much for the posts guys, this week has gone from bad to worse, the 17 yr old was supplying alcohol and cigarettes to children as young as 8 :o i heard him helping a 15? yr old girl who was throwing up in his toilet, i did the responsible nurse thing and made sure that she was ok,
that was a couple of nights ago, tonight they have broken the fence post completely between us and them, when we asked them about it we got a load of abuse and hubby told them he was going to call the police to which the 17 year old said go ahead youll only make yourself look a ****.
he then knocked on our door to abuse us some more!telling us to f*** off.
oh mike77 thank you so much and sinbad you naughty girlie lol
Did you actually call the police? What did they do?
i have called the police tonight they have said they will get someone out to me so im waiting to see but i doubt it will be tonight its low priority i understand that after all most of them will be at my place of work accident and emergency.
i overheard the 17 yr say to his friends that they can all stay over tomorrow night and that it is really gonna kick off then :(
Quote from: debster on June 12, 2009, 22:40:58
i have called the police tonight they have said they will get someone out to me so im waiting to see but i doubt it will be tonight its low priority i understand that after all most of them will be at my place of work accident and emergency.
i overheard the 17 yr say to his friends that they can all stay over tomorrow night and that it is really gonna kick off then :(
I would reply that a 17yr old male on your doorstep threatening you is an emergency.
Quote from: Sparkly on June 07, 2009, 18:11:25
Personally I would tell his parents that this has happened. I would expect an apology, money back for the damage and also his labour to replant a crop (I know you might not get the onions in now, but you could get something else in). If the parents are not on your side then tell them you will report him for trepass and criminal damage. Then report this to the police to try and scare him into correcting his behaviour.
Absolutely.... >:(
sadly he did that after i had rung them but believe me they will know about it, it was hubby he threatened mostly and believe me im not a weak woman working in a and e i have learnt to look after myself a bit but not to put myself in stupid situations.
Keep the pressure up with the police Deb.
Good luck
Quote from: debster on June 12, 2009, 22:46:22
sadly he did that after i had rung them but believe me they will know about it, it was hubby he threatened mostly and believe me im not a weak woman working in a and e i have learnt to look after myself a bit but not to put myself in stupid situations.
I wasn't suggesting that it was because you are a woman :) Just that any threatening behaviour from someone who is physically not kid-size is potential dangerous!
Annoys me when the things like this are not considered an emergency. When I was a teenager our house was burgled. I had come home from college after picking up my little brother from primary school. The patio doors were in and things turned over. I called the police and then called my mum. Obviously I went upstairs to have a nosey. When I came down the door was open (ie they were still in the house). Dread to think what would have happened if I had opened the wrong door. The police took 1 hour to turn up. This wasnt an 'emergency' when I was a 16 yr old with a 8 year old with me and there had been intruders in the house whilst I was there. Ridiculous!
GET A WROTWEILLER ...!!!! THEY SCARE THE HELL OUT O ME
sparkly i honestly didnt take it that way honey ;D what i was thinking was he is never so confrontational with me he appears to have a little shred of conscience in that area
well the police came they have logged it as a crime with the number etc and they are contacting my local bobby the one i have dealt with in the past and they have told me i must contact the council so will do this on monday, they have told me if i have anymore trouble i must call it through on 999 especially as i overheard this boy said that it is really going to kick off tonight
they went round and spoke to him and i could hear what they were saying to him, they read him the riot act told him anymore hint of more trouble and they would be back and they would be arresting someone that at the moment there is no credible witness to the damage they cant prosecute at which point the lad said to them that he thought the guy the other side of us probably saw it all (?)
they are going to be sending him and his mother something i think they called an ABC which is a precursor to an ASBO but they were going to wait til the mother gets home, he did lie to them and said that his mum was at work
they told him to get the fence fixed at his own cost etc etc
oh well watch this space lets see what happens
Well done debster. They're taking it seriously and it's on the record now. Hopefully this will have been enough to shame him into behaving himself, but if not you know what you have to do.
well they said it would kick off tonight they werent joking the 17 yr old has knocked on our door 3 or 4 times then his girlfriend starting throwing bricks at my husband all we want is a quiet life it doesnt look like we are gonna get one :'(
Call the police back again.
they are out dealing with them now!
Let's hope they take them away to cool their heels in a cell for the night.
Thinking of you and your family Deb. :( :( :(
thank you
no one should have to put up with that, i hope you get it sorted.
Parents on holiday? I'd be tempted to leave a few bottles of vodka out by my bin for them to 'steal'. They probably wouldnt be making much noise for long. Datura or Henbane tea might be a good mixer!
fingers crossed that it'll calm down now... :)
Hi Deb,
hope you are ok and the police sorted things out yesterday.
well it all stopped last night and today we were being watched by a 17yr old stood leaning against his mums car with his arms folded as we swept up the glass from the broken beer bottles thrown in our garden.
we cant walk in the garden without getting verbally abused but i dont let that stop me i assure you ;)
he appears to have gone out now roll on his mother getting home though im not sure how she is going to react
Hope you took pictures before sweeping up the broken bottles - or perhaps should have left them in place as evidence - the police could have checked them for dna.
Oh debster sorry to hear it has all kicked off again. What a pillock that lad is eh! Just to wish you good luck in dealing with it all
The ABC the police mentioned is a precursor to an ASBO - Its an Anti-Social Behaviour Contract (if you google it you'll come up with some extra info, suggest you check out your Safer Neighbourhood teams website and the Council's website). Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, but between the Council and the Police and hopefully his mum and you guys you'll all be able to put some pressure on him
take Care
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Did you give any thought to the idea of cctv , fake cameras?.
just caught up with this thread, sorry it still descended into chaos even after the police spoke to him, hope all is a little better know.
Oh Debster!
I was afraid that this would turn nasty!
I had this sort of thing a while back and it is really nasty and unpleasant.
Hope that you get your peace back soon.
I find it intimidating being watched silently - although at least you have OH - I was on my own - against however many were out!
Take care - Hope life settles soon!
Old Bird
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well alledgedly mum is home now not seen her but lets see what she has to say for herself
I have been following this thread i just can't understand how his mother lets him behave the way he does! If i had got wind of my child behaving in such away he would lose all his freedom and wouldnt be left on his own until he knew how to behave.
I hope things get sorted deb and that his mum finally sorts him out before its too late.
Lucy
Mummybunny I think the problem is poor Debs lives next to a minority where as your approach is what the majority would do.
I really do hope life gets a bit easier for you Debs. We have lived next door to an abusive alcoholic for 25 years and it isn't easy to reason with folks who don't give a d**n about others.
debster,
I just wished that I lived lived in your part of the world and would come round to yours and gracefully crush their fingers with my size tens, ;)
Fingers crossed the mum sees sense. A bit like a kid I teach. Never submits work, has very poor attendance, attitude etc. Last time I spoke to his mum she said "He is not here. He is at his girlfriends. He is 16. What do you expect me to do?" ::)
Gosh what can i say thats not already been said other than HUGS !!
Call the local support officer and tell them the mothers back they will go around and speak to her.
Next time they leave tracks cover them with a bucket and preserve the patern of the shoes for the police.
The idea of hiding some vodka is a good one but i would lace these with something that will give them the trots :)
If there council houses a complain to the council is a must!!!
Take care
This morning I was on the lotty and at 0950 I looked up from my watering and a thirteen year old lad in a local schools uniform was walking down towards he came across to me and was this a short cut to his school which was a load of dogs testicles he thought that everyone would be at work and he was up to know good and he does not even get the benefit of the doubt, he told me he had come through a hole in the fence at the top which again is DT's, I told him he shouldn't be on here because there is a gate at the bottom with a big lock on it, I escorted him of the allotments and told that anytime he finds that he needs to back on the allotments because of his age he must be with an adult, this was just a dry run before the schools holidays when more than likely he will be out till all hours thieving, :)
If it was 9-50am and he was 13 then he was truanting from school. If the school starts lessons at 10am then my son will want to know the name of it so he can move there!
Not bothered if he goes to school or not he should not have been on those allotments, I've already had words with our local council about this case of trespass and he was still twenty minutes away from the school and I hope they phone the school obviously he will be easy to single out starting at that time of day, ;)
just to update you lovely guys on here who have helped me keep my sanity this is how it stands at the moment.
the mother has not spoken to us at all, puts her head down and charges in, hubby got one hello from her the other day and last night as we were both on our respective doorsteps at the same time she had to say hello when we said it first.
we have had very little trouble until last night, when i got home from work the 4 main offenders were in the garden next door two sat on the communal shed roof, the fence post had been knocked over again so hubby politely asked if they had knocked it over and the 17 yr old replied are you starting all the f***** c**** again, we aint done f**** all to which my hubby replied i think your answer to my question is no we havent touched it, i asked them to get off the shed roof, (it looks right into my bathroom window and i was uncomfortable having teenage boys looking in my bathroom window, may be flattering myself there i know lol) he told me it was his roof and he was allowed to be on there,
as we walked in he called us f******* losers
i have left a message on the council officers phone cos i am really fed up with this it is getting where i dont feel comfortable in my own house or garden, the trouble only seems to happen when the mum isnt there but she cant be there 24/7 and i cant stick much more, so i am going to contact the local police officer again too i know it is all in the hands of the council but it feels so out of control
Debster, sorry to hear things are still a pain in the proverbial. And you mention not being in control, completely understandable.
What's the response been from the council and police? Are they in touch with you?
Take Care
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