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Title: Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 07, 2004, 08:22:10
Following advice I have discovered that the little inhabitant of our garden is a field mouse (I put bread out and it was munched - a shrew wouldn't do this!). And I saw the wee beastie the other day making for the bird feeder!!!!! The cat hasn't a clue about our new resident and I hope it stays that way. I also hope that the field mouse doesn't venture into the house because that is MY DOMAIN!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: eileen on September 07, 2004, 11:21:38
Hi Plocket,

I'm glad you'v found out what is was visiting your garden. We have fieldmice too. You've probably read the story of mine nesting in Ians boot.  8) They're lovely wee things but as you say as long as they stay outdoors.

Eileen.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 07, 2004, 14:43:41
Hi Eileen - yes I did read about Ian's boot - with great mirth on my part!!! I'm only hoping that the mice stay in my garden and that the cat doesn't find them!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: eileen on September 07, 2004, 14:55:05
They probably will Plocket. :)  Mine have never ventured nto the house, thankfully, as I think they much prefer to share the bird seed with our little feathered friends in the garden.  ;D

Eileen.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 07, 2004, 15:09:08
Mmm! Cute in the garden - horrible in the house. There is more than enough birdseed for the mice and the birds to share together. Little Plocket is desparate to see a mouse but she makes too much noise in the garden to stand a chance!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 07, 2004, 18:16:38
 ;DHi Plocket, don't leave the doors open when the nights start to get cold, they do come into the house as I know to my dread, usually to get warm in the winter..... :'( :'( :'(oh yuk.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 07, 2004, 19:11:51
Val you are being brave - looking at this thread!!! I don't mind the little critters in the garden but I draw the line at them coming into the house. They had better not learn how to use the cat flap!

Do you remember that story I told you about the mouse in the toilet roll bag? I had to carry the whole (full) bag outside on the end of the broom handle!!!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 08, 2004, 18:18:14
 ;D Its a masochistic thing ;D ;DYes I often think about it, especially when I wonder should we get a cat  to get rid of the mickey's, it seems like they hand them to you.lol. ;D
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 08, 2004, 18:59:38
Yes cats do have a habit of bringing their kill in for their owners. It's a sort of gift thing!!! And my cat has learned that I freak if something dead is brought in, and then she gets shoved outside! Perhaps that's why she doesn't catch much!!! If you don't have mice in the house Val I wouldn't bother with getting a cat. Unless you love cats that is!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Granny_Smith on September 09, 2004, 08:13:02
We had 5 cats and a mouse still took up residence in the kitchen knife drawer !! I must have fed my cats too well as they showed no interest at all. We eventually caught the little blighter in a humane trap and released it back down the fields.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 09, 2004, 08:27:13
Eeeeek!!! I think if my cat starts getting interested, or the mouse shows signs of coming into the house, I will have to catch it and release it elsewhere.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Carol on September 09, 2004, 20:40:58
 ::) Well I share my house and garden with the Field mice.  They move in when the weather turns cold and are up in the attic, every year.  Hubby has three traps up there and I don't know how many he has caught, cos I dont want to.  I just love watching the mice outside going back and forward with the bird seed.  I think I would draw the line on them venturing onto the ground floor though.  Once had one walk into this room and I had to get it removed.  
I also had to removed the mice from the bird seed by hand cos they managed to find their way into the paper sack.  I dont mind them really. ::) ::)

Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Roy Bham UK on September 09, 2004, 23:28:43
Not wanting to sound like a killjoy but I read or heard somewhere that if you put food out for the wild animals, in most cases the rats move in generally under an out building and get the grub first. :o

Roy ;D
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 10, 2004, 08:35:41
Oh no! I can't stop feeding the birds. But the idea of rats - don't even go there Roy!!!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 10, 2004, 12:41:19
 ;DI get a reaction to cats Plocket, itch and sneeze like hayfever, runny eyes etc. Strange really we grew up with cats, dogs, birds, etc, and birds indoors just terrify me, A bit of a la la I guess. ;DJust love the birds outside though, even if its my feeding thats attracting the mice, I won't stop, I only give them nuts and seeds but the garden seems dead without them and so busy at feeding times.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 10, 2004, 12:51:17
Hi Val! I can't stand birds in the house - it really freaks me out, all that fluttering about, yuck! I couldn't stop feeding the birds - they are used to it now anyway. And I don't think the mice take much - as for rats - I don't want to think about them!!! My birds seem to have vanished now and I really miss them. Can't wait for their return.....
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 11, 2004, 18:20:42
 ;DHi Plocket, where have the birds gone then?, they've finished their summer moult here, perhaps with all the rain you've had they are hanging on to their feathers this year. ;DIts been a lovely drying day today, I thought we were going to have rain but didn't. The d**n squirrel is digging up everything, we've got a walnut tree in the Close somewhere and every year at this time it buries them.trouble is it digs a hole and doesn't cover it up and the plants are left with no soil round their roots.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 12, 2004, 08:57:12
Hi Val! They are probably eating bugs rather than the dry stuff I put out! I keep putting it out though because they will need it in winter and I don't want them to start thinking that their supply has run out.

Sounds like a daft squirrel if you ask me! Another squirrel could come and pinch them all!!! They are little sods (she says being polite!!!) and luckily we don't seem to have much of a problem with them here at the moment. I had two hazelnuts on my tiny twisted hazel last year and they remained on the tree until they fell, and even then they weren't taken.

Do squirrels like conkers? There is a huge horse-chestnut tree over the road from us and I haven't seen any squirrels near it. Plenty of kids bashing the living daylights out of it, but no squirrels.

Nice weather today. I've just put some washing out so no doubt it will rain later! Had heavy rain in the night so as far as I am concerned that is enough rain for the time being!!!

Have a good day Val, and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 14, 2004, 16:51:45
 ;DHi Plocket, not sure if squirrels do eat conkers. I take it back about the birds summer moult. Saw a beautiful blackbird in the garden,coat shiny and new. Its head was bald as a coot. It did look so funny, I felt so sorry for it, it had one scratty tuff sticking up. Poor little thing, I shouldn't have laughed at it, no wonder they hide away. ;D
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 14, 2004, 19:03:10
You'll make them paranoid Val!!!!! I haven't seen a bird at my feeder for ages - I'm blaming you even though you are miles away!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 17, 2004, 16:39:44
 ;DIt came back and bought his mate with him, probably for back up ;DA robin watched me change the water in the birds bath and before I'd finished pouring the clean in, it dived in, fluttered about beating its wings, ducked his head under, looked up as if to say oh you still there and carried on.I was more nervous than he was. ;D
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 17, 2004, 17:35:10
Oh birds are so sweet when they bath! And what a cheeky robin!

Mum and dad had a young robin in the garden earlier this year. We were chopping a few leylandii down and he would hardly wait for the tree to fall before he was darting about getting the bugs. They might be brutes to each other but I love their cheek and nerve! Your lot obviously know you - our feathered visitors are a little more wary I think. Except the blue tits who hang on the curtain valance over the patio door when it is open (was!!!).

Actually I think our local birds are having trouble finding our feeders at the moment because the clematis is getting rather rampant. I might have to cut it back a bit to encourage them now that the weather is cooling down.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 18, 2004, 17:28:25
 ;DHi Plocket. We don't have a cat though, thats probably why. They only have to see one next door and they stay well away. The dog doesn't seem to bother them ,they sort of do a lazy fly up then back down behind her, as if to say oh this silly game again.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 19, 2004, 18:48:44
Hi Val - the cat had slipped my mind! She is so rarely out in the garden that I had forgotten about her! But however infrequently she goes outside the birds are well aware that she is a resident of our garden.

Saw M&Ds robin today when we were picking damsons from their garden. He's a cheeky so and so! I think he was helping pick them!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 20, 2004, 10:19:23
 ;DThey become almost tame, it makes you wonder how they know the difference between friend or foe and they would remember the cat. I often think how big an area the birds actually fly round in, except for the ones that migrate. Do they have 1 or 2 gardens they 'own' or a couple of miles.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 20, 2004, 19:27:48
I would love some tamer birds in my garden but not to benefit the cat.

I'm very intrested in your comment
QuoteI often think how big an area the birds actually fly round in, except for the ones that migrate

I have sent the question to the RSPB in the hope that they will answer. Obviously they get a lot of queries and might not respond to mine, but if they do I will let you know.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 21, 2004, 11:52:33
Hi Val

I got the following reply from the RSPB this morning:
QuoteThis is an interesting question because each species has its own strategy.
Robins and dunnocks have tight territories encompassing approximately one
and a half average gardens although boundaries may go into up to four
gardens. They do not seem to use topographical features such as fences to
define boundaries, hence why up to 4 or six robins are a possibility in
certain gardens. Blackbirds have slightly larger territories but they will
forage outside these territories anyway in response to food availability.
Other birds have breeding ranges that do not have strict territorial
boundaries although there is a discreet spacing of nests. Most of these
birds form winter feeding flocks that have set circuits providing food
remains constant in the circuit. Tits and finches follow this pattern, as do
starlings and sparrows although the former sometimes move away to big winter
roosts.

Not sure what size the average garden is but it's an interesting reply.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 21, 2004, 18:58:05
 ;DOh wow, I didn't realise the areas could be so small, that really makes you stop and think.The food available to them in their territories is so important then.so if there are woods down the road with abundance it doesn't always mean that the birds in your garden go there.Thats really interesting Plocket thanks, it also means that nesting sites and stuff we put out are even more vital than I thought. Also if there is water 3 miles away,say just for example, it would mean them having to leave their boundaries to find it. Thanks again.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Plocket on September 21, 2004, 19:06:32
Hi Val! Yes I was quite surprised at what a small area they cover as well. No wonder we are encouraged to feed them, especially in towns.

I found the RSPB site really interesting, and they do more than just look out for birds - www.rspb.org.uk

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 22, 2004, 16:00:17
 ;DTthanks Plocket I've just been looking at the site, very interesting. I've added it to favorites.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Dorothy on September 22, 2004, 16:34:19
I agree that the RSPB site is great.  All summer I've been watching the osprey nest at Loch Garten but the three young birds and their parents have now flown to warmer climes.

The site is full of information if you are interested in birds.
Title: Re:Update on "Shrews?"
Post by: Val on September 23, 2004, 17:45:57
 ;DHi Dorothy it must be great to watch a rare bird in its natural habitat, I didn't realise they hibernated....you live and learn. :D