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Title: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: Kea on January 28, 2009, 12:04:10
I've ordered some root stocks to graft my MIL's apple tree a great cooker but of unknown variety. Want to get a copy while i still can.

Can someone tell me if the graft doesn't take can I remove it and re use the root stock, assuming it survives?

I haven't done it yet, just wondered though.
Title: Re: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: ber77tie on January 28, 2009, 21:59:26
I can't see any reason for not using the rootstock again.The only obvious thing would be to make a fresh cut with the new graft to ensure good contact with the cambium layers.good luck.
Title: Re: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: dtw on January 28, 2009, 22:06:47
Can you graft a cherry tree onto a non-tree root? (e.g. blackberry bush)
Title: Re: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: ber77tie on January 28, 2009, 22:22:37
It would be interesting but I think the plants have to be of the same genus to be successful.If plants are not compatible they either won't take or be weak.
Title: Re: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: Baccy Man on January 28, 2009, 23:04:09
Kea yes you can reuse the rootstock.

DTW no you can't but you could create a single tree with multiple types of fruit cherry, plum, peach, nectarine, apricot, damson, gage or anything else in the prunus genus. You occasionally see trees with up to 5 different types and/or varieties of fruit for sale.
Title: Re: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: Slug_killer on January 29, 2009, 00:24:18
Quote from: dtw on January 28, 2009, 22:06:47
Can you graft a cherry tree onto a non-tree root? (e.g. blackberry bush)

I also think not, it comes down to the genes.

Propagation, ie grafting, budding  or pollination, all involve, dare I say it ... SEX.

Think of it in dog terms.
A Yorkshire Terrier can mate with another Yorkshire Terrier because they're the genus and species.
A Yorkshire Terrier  could, theoretically, mate with a Saint Bernard, and there is a good chance of offspring (ie a cross bread), because they're the same genus - DOG.
However a Yorkshire Terrier cannot, how ever hard they try, mate with a cat, a donkey or an elephant, as they are different genus.

A Prunus (Cherry, Plum, Damson etc)  can be  budded with any other prunus tree/bush and will, with luck, grow away happily. Although a friend of mine tried Victoria plums on a Prunus laurocerasus and couldn't get anything to take.

An apple, any apple (Malus) can be grafted/budded onto any other malus. Apples are by far the easiest to do. Even the Romans excelled at it.

However a prunus will not graft on to a Rubus (Blackberry), different genus.







Title: Re: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: Kea on January 29, 2009, 10:30:49
Thanks I thought I might be able , with a new cut of course.

Title: Re: Grafting fruit trees
Post by: Kea on April 21, 2009, 17:33:34
Well the rootstocks arrived at my MIL's and before i could instruct her she'd planted them in a tub around the south side of her house and wasn't pleased when I got her to dig them up again and heel them in around the back in the cool!
When i got there three weeks later i was expecting the stems to be about finger thickness but they were much thinner. Then i spotted another problem, having not touched her very old apple tree for years some friends visiting had pruned it for her in November. i say pruned but in realitity it had been hacked back.....leaving me with no nice thin shoots just a few dubious ones which as we live 5 hours away and it's my only chance until next year, i had to try grafting with. Chance of success i think is about 2%. :(