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Produce => Non Edible Plants => Topic started by: davee52uk on October 11, 2008, 17:47:09

Title: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: davee52uk on October 11, 2008, 17:47:09
This has been found on one or two plots at our site and is going to be a real pain for the plotholders. This is notifiable pest in that the DEFRA has to be informed about this. The area then has to be cordonned off and treated with strong weedkiller for about three years before the land can be used again- BEWARE!!
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on October 11, 2008, 19:00:58
The stuff's a menace. Birmingham city Council are really good on this, and we're well on the way to eliminating it from the site as a result, but other landlords may be very different.
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: SMP1704 on October 13, 2008, 15:08:00
Did anyone catch the piece on BBC news about knotweed this morning?

Two clips, one in Cornwall with labour intensive application of chemical down each hollow stem - which works and the other about tests using its native pest - a small beetle...tests are ongoing to ensure that the beetle does not become as invasive as the plant ::)

I have heard about the chemical down the stem - but what is it and/or is it for licensed users only???
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: caroline7758 on October 13, 2008, 15:15:52
Here's the BBC report

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7531221.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7531221.stm)
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Baccy Man on October 13, 2008, 15:42:00
Quote from: SMP1704 on October 13, 2008, 15:08:00I have heard about the chemical down the stem - but what is it and/or is it for licensed users only???

It's glyphosate. The idea is that if it is applied in late summer/early autumn when the plant is drawing nutrients down from the top growth to the roots a large dose of glyphosate will go down intoi the root system too & cause a lot of damage as the plant will be depending purely on whatever nutrients it has stored in the roots throughout the winter. If it is more weedkiller than nutrients the odds of the plant surviving the winter are not that good.
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: allaboutliverpool on October 13, 2008, 17:41:13
I had it on my plot and applied Glyphosate four times during the summer of 2006 and there has not been a sign of it since.

Admittedly it was not one of those forests of the stuff that you see but it was already 4 feet high when I stared spraying at 3 weekly intervals.
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: lolabelle on October 13, 2008, 21:22:58
we have it on one or two plots the same as Davee52  its near my plot about two plots away so watch this space  >:(
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: hellohelenhere on October 15, 2008, 01:16:19
Davee, when you say that it has to be notified to DEFRA, is that because allotments are classed as agricultural land, or something? I've just been looking at the Japanese Knotweed Alliance website, and it doesn't say anything about that, only that if you have it on your land you should get advice and deal with it quickly.
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Amazin on October 15, 2008, 04:01:23
I'd always thought that Japanese Knotweed was a notifiable weed i.e. had to be reported to DEFRA, but apparently not, according to DEFRA's website:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/non-native/knotweed.htm

Here's some more info on the proposed control:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/10/14/eaknotweed114.xml
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: fluffygrue on October 15, 2008, 11:51:29
On the plus side, the new shoots are very tasty, and make a good substitute for rhubarb in a crumble. :D
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: telboy on October 16, 2008, 22:34:00
fluffygrue,
You gest of course!
This is one serious weed - like pigeons/grey squirrels/muntjak deer etal.
Needs sorting on a serious scale!
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Emagggie on October 16, 2008, 22:45:00
It grew under and toppled a 6ft high wall from the pub car park next door to my place. Luckily the pub rebuilt it for us and say they are treating the weed, but I'm not leaving it to them, I've got hold of some Glysophate (at enormous expense :o) and I paint it on the leaves every time I see a shoot. It seems to be working so far, but it is also on the edge of the field opposite and all around the council nursery behind us. They do absolutely nothing about it . Thank goodness it's not on my plot.
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: ceres on October 16, 2008, 22:45:27
Quote from: telboy on October 16, 2008, 22:34:00
fluffygrue,
You gest of course!

He doesn't!  From PFAF:

http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Polygonum+japonicum (http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Polygonum+japonicum)

"Edible Uses
Edible Parts: Leaves; Root; Seed; Stem.

Young shoots in spring - cooked. They can be used as an asparagus substitute[55, 62, 116, 1599, 179, 183]. They have an acid flavour and can also be used as a rhubarb substitute in pies, fruit soups, jams etc[183]. Older stems and shoot tips - cooked[62, 159]. They taste like a mild version of rhubarb[K]. Seed - raw or cooked. It is rather small and fiddly to utilize. The seed can also be ground into a powder and used as a flavouring and thickener in soups etc, or can be mixed with cereals when making bread, cakes etc. The root is sometimes eaten[183]."


Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Baccy Man on October 17, 2008, 06:18:06
There are some knotweed recipes here (http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Knotweed.html)

You can also make Japanese knotweed wine (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UlGyC3CqRxEC&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=knotweed+wine&source=web&ots=JFcfxnfZOa&sig=gkwsbDc53syG9PFBtmodB_9SUu8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result)
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: davee52uk on October 17, 2008, 22:34:13
1. This was not growing on my allotment but was found on two plots on our allotments area.

2. Talking to committee members of the allotments society, they said they had had to notify DEFRA who then told them how this had to be treated.

3. Treatment included fencing off the area where they were growing and treating with weedkiller for two years.
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Poppy Mole on October 19, 2008, 13:04:55
It was growing on the edge of the pub garden where I was a few years ago,  I chopped it down & poured neat Roundup down the stems on a regular basis & after a couple of years it gave up.
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Mrs Ava on October 20, 2008, 22:24:26
Glad to say I have never come across knotweed before however it is in one of the gardens I tend.  I am going to speak to the home owner about it - the only thing that made me wonder if it wasn't knotweed is that I have heard about it coming through concrete, but these grows alongside a patio and has never made any attempt at spreading. 
Title: Re: Japanese Knotweed
Post by: Emagggie on October 21, 2008, 00:28:48
It's even on Cbeebies in Balamoray ;D. I spotted it this morning. ;D
EJ it seems to stay put for a long time, but it's probably spreading nicely underground. You just have to be vigilant.