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Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: nastybritishgardener on October 07, 2008, 16:01:22

Title: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: nastybritishgardener on October 07, 2008, 16:01:22
what are 5 families squash and which varieties are in each?
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: kt. on October 07, 2008, 16:06:57
Have not got a clue.  But if I was to guess... four families would be:

Pumpkins
Butternut Squash
Courgette
Melons
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: sawfish on October 07, 2008, 16:17:04
Calabash, Acorn, Butternut, Summer and Zucchini

apparently.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: redimp on October 07, 2008, 16:36:45
QuoteSpecies:    
C. maxima - hubbard squash, buttercup squash
C. mixta - cushaw squash
C. moschata - butternut squash
C. pepo - most pumpkins, acorn squash,
summer squash, zucchini[1]
Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(plant))
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: thegreatgardener on October 07, 2008, 16:44:33
ktlawson  
Melons are not a squash.

Pumpkins not a separate family but have members in 3 different squash families.



I can think of 4
1st cucurbita pepo
2nd  cucurbita Maxima
3rd  cucurbita Moschata
4 th  cucurbita mixta currently known as cucurbita Argyrosperma
5th
 one I can't think of.

Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: redimp on October 07, 2008, 16:52:02
Are gourds a separate family? ???
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: Flunky on October 07, 2008, 16:56:37
1) Robinsons

2) Ribena

3) Vimto

4) Kia Ora

5) Britvic.

Ahem, I know, i know, TAXI !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: OllieC on October 07, 2008, 17:02:26
You're wrong Mr Flunky. It's a squeezy squash, a squishy squash, a wishy squash, a squelchy squash and a squashy squish (technically that's part of the squish family but generally accepted for poetic reasons).
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: thegreatgardener on October 07, 2008, 17:07:02
olliec you forgot
stepped on
fallen on
slipped on
I but keep forgetting you were dropped on you head at young age.

Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: redimp on October 07, 2008, 17:07:56
Quote from: redclanger on October 07, 2008, 16:52:02
Are gourds a separate family? ???
And to answer my own question:
Gourds - C. Lagenaria
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: OllieC on October 07, 2008, 17:10:30
Quote from: thegreatgardener on October 07, 2008, 17:07:02
olliec you forgot
stepped on
fallen on
slipped on
but keep forgetting you were dropped on you head at young age.



Oy!!! Remember we're all friends now!!! It's not my fault I got dropped!
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: thegreatgardener on October 07, 2008, 17:15:26
redclanger there are also gourds in cucurbita pepo.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: Pasher on October 07, 2008, 17:17:13
HI,

so where do Gem squash fit in with all this. Have grown them this year successfully. They originate from the southern hemisphere

Any clues? ???
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: thegreatgardener on October 07, 2008, 17:24:14
Pasher

cucurbita pepo.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: manicscousers on October 07, 2008, 18:22:15
hiya, pasher, welcome to the site  ;D
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: Kea on October 07, 2008, 18:41:01
 I don't want to be too picky but there are 5 species of edible squash not families. There are more species of Cucubita than 5 they are just not cultivated.

Is  Cucubita ficifolia the 5th?, it is edible, common names malabar squash, pie melon.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: nastybritishgardener on October 07, 2008, 20:57:34
Kea you will have ask Jeanine what the 5 families are since she was the one who used the term families not species.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: star on October 07, 2008, 21:25:36
Hiya Pasher :D


Welcome to the nut house, I know nowt about squash except they are good to eat ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: Jeannine on October 07, 2008, 21:51:58
 Technically called  species but I use the  name family as most folks understand it easier, usually if I say species it is taken to mean varieties, and they are Pepo, Maxima,Moscata,Mixta,Ficofolia.  XX Jeannine
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: grawrc on October 08, 2008, 00:12:14
What do they correspond to in terms of actual plants?
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: thegreatgardener on October 08, 2008, 17:24:42
grawrc could be more specific with your question?
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Post by: OllieC on October 08, 2008, 17:33:24
She wants to know what the characteristics are for plants belonging to any particular group.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: grawrc on October 08, 2008, 19:37:29
Yes sort of! Thank you Ollie! TGG I know absolutely nada about squash but have become curious mainly because of the obvious enthusiasm of people on the forum. Jeannine has listed 5 species/ varieties but how would I know what family (?) a particular squash belonged to?e.g.blue hubbard or potimarron or courgettes?

I'm in the dark here !! ::) ::)

All assistance gratefully received!
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: thegreatgardener on October 08, 2008, 21:49:36
grawrc there may be 5 species of squash but there are 100's of varieties that vary in so many ways that can not be easily described here.
If want get a hand on the variety of  squash there are I suggest you either buy or take the following book out of the library.
The Compleat Squash by Amy goldman
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: amphibian on October 08, 2008, 21:51:01
Pepo: Often Bush, leaves and stems prickly. Leaves deeply denticulate with angular lobes. Peduncle of fruits characterised by pronounced divisions (5-8 sometimes more) generally same width right to point of union with fruit. These divisions often extend on to fruit in form of ribs or bands of colouration. Seeds are flat and white and have a groove on one edge, uniform colouration. There are sub-species pepo-pepo, pepo-ovifera, pepo-texana and pepo-oxarkana.

Maxima: Long stems, few bush varieties, large leaves, deeply divided with rounded lobes. Pubescent but not prickly. Peduncle rounded and devoid of ribs. After flowering peduncle thickens and cracks and will normally become thicker than the stem. Seeds have a lose fitting skin. Seeds grooved on one edge and range from white to dark brown.

Moschata: All vine. Leaves non-jagged but have marked angles, again pubescent but nor prickly. Peduncle carries five angles or ribs and it widens at point of union. Seeds grey and heavily grooved.

Agryosperma/Mixta: Long stems, hairy leaves. Ribbed peduncle, flattening at point of union. Seeds long and flat and deeply grooved. Border of seeds often silvery grey.

Ficifolia: Leaves resemble fig leaves with five rounded lobes with deep divisions. Black seeds, long stems, potentially perennial. Fruits when daylight hours are short.



Name a variety and I can probably tell you which species it belongs to.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: Suzanne on October 08, 2008, 21:55:11
TGG I bought a copy of The Compleat Squash after it was recomended by Jeannine sometime ago. It is a truly lovely book - both from the information and also the photography Grawc I thoroughly recommend it. I bought it on line for £12 including delivery.
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: grawrc on October 09, 2008, 02:14:22
Thank you all for the info. I'll clearly need to get that book and read up on the topic. I'll make loud hints for XMAS!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: Jeannine on October 09, 2008, 11:06:51
Grawc, I am not sure I understand the question. Do you mean which squash belong to which species?

XX Jeannine
Title: Re: what are the 5 families squash?
Post by: grawrc on October 09, 2008, 20:12:09
Aargghhhh! Don't know! ::) ::) ::) :o