to my delight at the beginning of the year i was asked to help one of the" old boys"by taking over half his plot as he had just undergone hip surgery and obviously could not cope ,brilliant i thought as i only have a small( but still very productive )plot my self.although it was not started until late may alot of hard work sweat and passion were thrown intro a rather run down and dear i say neglected garden resulting in an unexpected bumper harvest of cauliflowers,assorted beans and peas ,cabbages,sweet corn,potatoes,carrots,curly Cale,leeks and some very heavily ladden tomatoes (which unfortunately succumbed >:( to blight) .now i have been asked to hand back the garden to the owner not through any fault of my own and not because the "owner " wants it back but because his "mate " in the next garden has plans for it . so yesterday i stripped the garden with help of a true gardener and friend and we handed back the keys . lets just hope these two men neither of who can walk or bend properly enjoy there garden and all the hard work it brings .... would be very grateful for your opion on this one as it seems very unfair to me
Who asked you to give it up? A committee member or the plot holder? The neighbour has no rights on it as they already have a plot of their own.
Unfortunately when sharing a plot, only the name on the contract has any rights. On our site - if you have been sharing a plot for 20 years and the other person dies or gives up allotmenteering, the sharing person has no rights to the plot. Only exception to this, the one person who has an automatic right to the plot sibling next of kin.
Plot sharing never seems to be very successful unfortunately. Put it down to experience and don't make that mistake again.
Oh that seems really unfair to me >:(
Did you think about leaving a load of caterpillars behind as a little farewell present (only joking)
Is he in the rigtht to do that, doesn't sound good to me but not sure on rules and regs. ???
I can send you a bag of bindweed and couch rhizomes if it would ease your pain.
I have a few mantraps you can borrow for the weekend........they will NEVER walk again!!
Quote from: amphibian on September 19, 2008, 13:10:36
I can send you a bag of bindweed and couch rhizomes if it would ease your pain.
Not a nice thing to do. But on this occasion, if it has happened like you say, fully justified and deserved. If you rent a house, when you hand the keys back, the house should be in its original condition. You have been used and cheated and would only be returning the ground to its original condition.
Robbo.
P.S. I have loads of very big bindweed rhizomes if you want them.
It seems like your good will and nature has been seriously abused.
What goes around comes around. Im sure what they have done they will live with, that type of user usually does. At least your clear you did everything honestly.
What scum....................take heart, we all agree with you.
Cyber (((hugs)))
That sounds terrible! I'd be really furious if that had happened to me.
I would be very unhappy - but I think that these days - there is no loyalty.
One of the women on my site is doing just this - she wanted to share my chickens with me when I first got them and I said no! Thankfully - she has now got two bits of other people's plots along with her own. She has chickens on the next door plot and to the rear of her someone else has said she can have half their plot. Only trouble she is up the lottie all day every day and you cannot stop her rabbiting on and on and on and on! She also gossips and passes on what you have said to other people and then tells you what other people have said about (and against) you!
I have stopped talking to her - just to stop the gossiping - although I am probably the main topic of gossip at the moment as I don't now bother to talk to her. I am not being nasty I will happily say Hello but then move on - quickly!
They are bound to fall out at some stage and god knows what she will do with her chickens or her other patch if this happens!
I have learn't by experience - not to share - too much potential - as has happened to you N8R - for disaster. I am so sorry for you - but a lesson learned and certainly now somewhere for you to chuck your slugs and snails onto!
Old Bird
:o
Sounds like a selfish, conniving old user to me. You should tell the comittee.
would like to thank every body for their support and obvious sympathy has actually made me feel better about the situation . a new garden has already been given to me by a good mate so hopefully the future will be brighter cheers ...... ps drive by abuser how much do ya want for the man traps ha ha ha ....
You could always dose the soil with sodium chlorate.
Quotelets just hope these two men neither of who can walk or bend properly enjoy there garden and all the hard work it brings
If you feel cheated or used, that's one thing, and you have my sympathy, you really do.
However, I'll thank you not to use the man's physical condition as ammunition. Do you think that anyone less robust than yourself doesn't deserve to have their go? For God's sake, you said yourself the man has had a hip operation. Most people on here would generally be delighted that he's on the road to recovery and gradually getting back into the swing of things.
You say you were asked to help out and you were delighted- but at what? The chance to do some good? The tone of your post leads me to suspect otherwise. It sounds to me more like you thought you were going to get your hands on this plot permanently and I believe I can hear the loud squelching of sour grapes.
If you read the original post properly you will see that the owners mate had his eye on it. ::)
No problem with my reading skills, Betula. It doesn't matter who else 'has their eye on it'. They clearly weren't the only ones.
Well you can not blame the guy for being disappointed..
I do not know how much land you have to grow on but I think if you are desperate for space and you think you have a chance of it and then it is taken away by someone else,not the owner,fair play to him.He is entitled to his sour grapes.
And sorry,if someone is not fit enough to work the land why do they want it.?
There is enough moaning on this site about plots not being worked,whatever the reason.
Disappointment I can understand, but...
Quoteif you are desperate for space and you think you have a chance of it
...then you ask - don't you?
I think the point this guy is trying to make is where was this owners friend when the plot was not in good shape.?
The poster has put the work in and miracle,the friend can suddenly do something with it.
Yes he probally did have hopes of keeping the plot but in that situation,wouldn't you?
Nope, I would ask openly before agreeing to 'help', thus avoiding the sorry spectacle of a whinge-fest afterwards.
I would understand if he wanted the half plot back when he had recovered, that would have been ok, but to let someone else have it after this person had done all of the hard graft in my opinion is not fair. I believe that what goes around comes around so just sit back and watch.
Hip operations are no big deal, they are one of the easiest operations of their type to do. They need great skill from the surgeon and should result in the recipient being more active than before.
I had a replacement hip in 1999 and have been more active since. I started cycling again within 25 days of the operation (although I wasn't allowed to drive for seven weeks). I know that my left hip (replacement) is much better than my right hip. What is necessary is a positive attitude, the trouble is that many people have a negative attitude, saying that they can't do things because they have had a replacement.
My surgeon said that my muscles were strong and put it down to regular cycling, I am now nearly 80 and still cycle regularly with our club, I also still do digging (clay soil) although using a Wolsley Webb Rotavator is a challenge these days.
Larkshall -- you are amazing ! :D
Don't think I would even think of doing all that work unless it was understood that I was helping someone who needed it and on the bases that it was still his plot and would want to take it back when he was able to work it again.
Really feel how dissappointing it must have been to have it passed on to someone else, not much gratitude there !
I have learnt a lot from this thread and if ever a similar situation arises for me, i would be very wary
of ' helping out' unless it was in the true sense of some one in need. Think that it would more likely
involve all the lottie folk and a case of ' mucking in '.
Floss xxx
That's unlucky n8r.
I don 't think anyone's done anything wrong though. Having said that, i would have expected your neighbour to give you a reasonable amount of notice to vacate, maybe six months.
I've done a similar thing with a part of my second plot. As i've been struggling to make much progress, for various reasons, i've let another plot holder use a section of the plot, but on the clear understanding that i can have it back for my own use whenever i want to.
He's happy to have the extra space. I'm happy because my second plot is looking a lot tidier. If i fail to make headway with the remainder of the second plot in the near future, i'll let him have it, if he wants it, providing there's no one on the waiting list. If there is someone waiting, then, at least they wont have a totally overgrown plot to start off with. :)
I could understand if he took it back himself but 'his mate has plans'!! Sounds like it was just a ploy to get it knocked into shape.
We'll see if the guys 'mate' does anything good with it or if it slowly descends into disrepair again before they get some other young hopeful to dig it over once more.
I've seen several plot-sharing situations, and none of them has worked for long, though usually they're not so acrimonious as this. As I said before, it's best avoided.
Quote from: Robert_Brenchley on September 19, 2008, 22:00:23
You could always dose the soil with sodium chlorate.
Or these days just dig in some friendly manure ;)
Quote from: amphibian on September 20, 2008, 20:33:55
Quote from: Robert_Brenchley on September 19, 2008, 22:00:23
You could always dose the soil with sodium chlorate.
Or these days just dig in some friendly manure ;)
I had to read the post twice, now I realise what you mean by "friendly manure" (in view of recent posts). ;D ;D
This didn't go down well with one or two of us on the lotty site .. >:(
Wer'e only little site with 22 plots all are tennanted and it's very rare for any to become available.I remember 2 in the last 10 years both sadly from bereavement.
I saw what a great job n8r had made of the half plot he was sharing and I also got wind of a plot that may be coming up owing to the guy that was the tennant
who is a spare time game keeper, beat manager not having enugh time to do it justice so at the end of this year he was thinking of giving it up.
Upshot is I signed m8r up for the plot on Saturday, so now he has got his own plot in his name complete with 2 brick bulidings a 10x6 greenhouse, spring cabbage, onion sets,sprouts leeks and parsnips growing. 2 mature compost heaps etc etc ... So alls well that ends well.. PS. I didnt realise he had also posted about this ;D
What a Christmas present! Well done Growmore and congratulations N8R!
That is good news,not only a plot of his own ,but one ready to go,rare indeed. :)
nice one cheers mate n8r.......baby ella ..... ;) ;D ;D
I am a strong believer in the saying "you reap what you sow" but it is not usually so immediate - so great work growmore well done all round. and nr8 please don't let this experience stop you from offering a friendly hand it offers its rewards in the strangest of ways :)
There is a god, lovely chrissie pressie n8r, and three cheers 4 Growmore. ;D ;D ;D
superb result! ;)
Someone else favoured by Santa!! ;D