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Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: ceres on June 20, 2008, 21:37:15

Title: Tree Rats
Post by: ceres on June 20, 2008, 21:37:15
Earlier this week I saw a squirrel on the plot to my left inside their strawberry net.  It was getting in under the net between two pegs. Yesterday I saw a squirrel on the plot to my right inside their strawberry net.  It can only have got in by moving a complicated draped net on a cane frame which was hanging off its hooks, crooked and out of position.  Yesterday evening I did a big pick of my strawbs and smugly put my nets back so that they were bombproof.  This morning I arrived to find a neat little squirrel-sized hole chewed through my net and half-eaten strawbs strewn around inside.  Landmines perhaps????

To add insult to injury overnight a fox has dug up my newly sown parsley and coriander seed rows and a dozen newly planted leeks.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: saddad on June 20, 2008, 21:40:14
I hate them.... and the sky rats too... our foxes (there are at least 6 on the site) seem to leave things alone.  :-\
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: STEVEB on June 20, 2008, 21:41:46
Sorry for your loss but you have to admire the little rascals thier so clever at foraging !!
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: PurpleHeather on June 20, 2008, 21:50:14
I actually love them and I love rats too. (squirrels are rats with furry tails)

They are cleaver and despite the fact they are a blooming nuisance and I have no qualms about using humane controls.

I do respect their ingenuity.

So I should say, I love them when they are not a problem to me.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: OllieC on June 20, 2008, 22:03:19
You sure it's not the squirrels digging up your parsley & coriander? They're absolute sods - and they'll eat everything as the season progresses. They also eat the eggs of any birds they can find. They don't belong in this country, and although cute to look at, are horrible little vermin. I'm afraid I've invested in a trap. It's a "humane" one, and they die quickly when I get them. I wish I didn't have to but I don't see that there's a choice.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on June 20, 2008, 22:15:36
Rat poison under the nets where the birds won't get at it.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: theothermarg on June 20, 2008, 22:17:33
had to rescue one out of some nets the other day, it was huge I just lifted a corner up and it shot out and up a tree. with that and the pidgin today
(another thread)I feel like a right St francis ;D
I have been warned not to try to grab one as they have a terrible bite
marg
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on June 20, 2008, 22:29:17
I'd have trampled it or bashed it, same as a rat.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: ceres on June 21, 2008, 13:35:45
Ollie, you're probably right about the squirrel doing all the damage.  It's usually foxes that scratch around in the soil on our site and you can see their tracks.  But there weren't any tracks and 2 of my bottle cloches on cucumber seedlings had been pulled out - doubt if that would be foxes.

It will have to be rat poison under the nets.  I'm confident I couldn't kill one by bashing!  My immediate neighbours have a huge mouldering rubbish heap at the back of their plot and I've seen rats in it, so two for the price of one. 
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: OllieC on June 21, 2008, 17:41:15
I've seen them taking green strawberries, they've snapped off the tops of my pea plants and the branches of my red currants and raspberries... I'm blaming them for everything now!
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: Baccy Man on June 21, 2008, 23:01:27
Squirrels have their uses.
http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zsquir.html
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: ceres on June 21, 2008, 23:46:03
I'm sure they taste very nice Baccy Man, but I think I'll pass!  :)

However if anyone with a taste for fresh squirrel would like a supply, I'll get the traps - but you do your own slaughtering!
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: Sinbad7 on June 21, 2008, 23:51:49
Squirrels had the nerve to sit looking at me whilst eating my sweetcorn last year, so not growing any this year.  I wasn't too upset, and got some good pics of them, just as well as I don't eat the stuff but did like to grow it.

Sinbad
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: tishop on June 22, 2008, 05:39:14
Grey squirrels are a big nuisance I wholeheartedly agree (Please let's always give them their full name - our native reds really don't need the bad press). I personally gave up putting out seed for the birds this year as one repeatedly chewed through my feeder. As to a solution to the problem.. Rat poison? No!!! (A big thumbs down from me to the ??? who suggested it! (I've rightly chosen to 'Ignore' him/her (Whatever that means?)). The bio-chemical industry in this country has already an unspeakable amount to account for. Those who consciously choose to ignore the instructions (Let alone the ignorant majority who ignore them outright - How many times have I seen slug pellets applied ten times or more the recommended amount - I've given up trying to count!) can only have only my full disdain. Rat poison put out for squirrels (Even if put out under nets is a huge: No, No! (How well could hedgehogs find a way through!) The solution to grey squirrels? Humane trapping only (And always outside the breeding season) and a swift and painless end (This or repatriation to whence they came - the cursed shores of the most damned of all nation states!).
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: ceres on June 22, 2008, 08:03:52
Thanks for your opinions tishop.  Guess I'll just have to live with your disdain.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on June 22, 2008, 13:35:34
Does anyone seriously think that hedgehogs, which are insectivores, are likely to eat grain?
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: theothermarg on June 22, 2008, 13:42:40
Quote from: ceres on June 21, 2008, 23:46:03
I'm sure they taste very nice Baccy Man, but I think I'll pass!  :)

However if anyone with a taste for fresh squirrel would like a supply, I'll get the traps - but you do your own slaughtering!
if you sell squirrel meat would it need a goverment health warning
     
MAY CONTAIN NUTS
marg ;D
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: honeybee on June 22, 2008, 14:25:51
The hedgehog in my garden will happily spend a period of time each evening eating up the sunflower seed spillage.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: OllieC on June 22, 2008, 16:45:15
Quote from: Robert_Brenchley on June 22, 2008, 13:35:34
Does anyone seriously think that hedgehogs, which are insectivores, are likely to eat grain?

I'm not convinced people should worry about hedgehogs eating rat poison either. I would eat sunflower seeds, but not the uncooked grain used for rat poison...
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: ceres on June 22, 2008, 17:02:03
It'a a moot point anyway.  Any hedgehog trying to get into the raised bed would get hopelessly tangled before it got anywhere near the strawbs or the poison.  I suppose I should stop using nets too.  ;)
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: OllieC on June 22, 2008, 17:04:43
It's been a long time since I've come across a moot point.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: tishop on June 22, 2008, 18:09:39
The hedgehog example wasn't the point of my argument (I'm glad to say as it was poorly 'off the cuff' I agree). No, my main point was that by using rat poison against squirrels you would very likely be ignoring the instructions on the packet (I can't say for certain as I've never/will never use the stuff) which always where chemicals are involved is an absolute wrong. Even the manufacturers who sell us the science (And incidentally make up a hugely over-powerful chemical lobby in this country) would agree!

Voles might of been a better example and you can always use a sonic device to keep them away if needs must.

PS. Ceres. I didn't think it was you who first suggested using rat poison? My disdain went elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: OllieC on June 22, 2008, 18:33:39
You should give it a try, tishop, it's great stuff!
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: tishop on June 22, 2008, 19:24:38
Hmm.. that last "comment" got me to post one last time on this thread. An interesting article on garden chemicals I just found:

Quote: "It's worth knowing that you can even break the law with products that are allowed! You must use them as instructed on the packaging, so if a product is only for use on apples and pears, don't use it on your plum tree."

Source: http://uktv.co.uk/gardens/item/aid/527451

Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: ceres on June 22, 2008, 19:28:15
QuoteNo, my main point was that by using rat poison against squirrels you would very likely be ignoring the instructions on the packet

Provided the rat poison is Warfarin, it is permitted for use on grey squirrels.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: Larkshall on June 22, 2008, 19:41:59
The only sure way to deal with them and not hurt any other creatures is to use a cage trap. Lead poisoning is very quick (.22 pellet from a powerful air rifle).

You can be prosecuted for letting them go.
Title: Re: Tree Rats
Post by: Baccy Man on June 22, 2008, 20:10:15
Under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, if a grey squirrel is caught - for any reason - it is illegal to release it into the wild or allow it to escape into the wild. Any grey squirrel caught must therefore be humanely despatched.

There are two recognised humane dispatch methods; by cranial dispatch using no more than two blows to the head, or by shooting in the trap. The Wildlife Trusts will not permit drowning, gassing or killing by any other means; this constitutes an offence under the Wild Mammals (Protection) Act 1996.
NB. When shooting in the trap it is best to use an airgun. Do not follow the animal with the gun. Instead either allow the animal to settle down and remain still before taking the shot, or focus the gun on a given point of the trap and wait for the animal to move into range.

Cranial dispatch is conducted as follows:
Place a Hessian sack tightly over the trap entrance taking care not to leave any gaps. Release the trap gate to allow the animal to move into the trap. At all times care should be taken not to handle the animal as there is a high risk of being scratched or bitten; thick leather work gloves will help avoid this.

Once the squirrel has entered the sack, twist the sack closed to secure it.

Ensure that the squirrel is facing into one of the corners and place your foot to the side of the squirrel to hold it in position.

Once the head is located, it is vital that the squirrel is killed quickly and humanely. A single accurate blow to the back of the head with an implement such as a fishing priest should be sufficient to kill the animal. Place the sack on hard flat ground, a stone or tree stump to ensure the blow is effective. A second blow should only be used after a few seconds if the animal is still moving vigorously. Repeated blows constitute an offence under the Wild Mammals (Protection) Act 1996.