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Title: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Barnowl on June 04, 2008, 17:06:47
On the bus towards work yesterday morning,  I overheard a mother (scary queue jumping type) telling her schoolboy son that if a Latin word ended in 'm' it was in the accusative and hence the object of the sentence. Why did no-one tell me that when I was trying to learn Latin 44 years ago? Possibly because it is wrong (e.g. bellum) BUT it might be true of adjectives - does anyone know? If so it could be useful (sort of).
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Rhubarb Thrasher on June 04, 2008, 17:17:41
To know what use could it be? true for adjectives accusative singular 1st and second declension, and for singular 3rd declension adjectives, but not with neuter. Amabo, amabis, amabit............
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Barnowl on June 04, 2008, 17:32:10
Thanks Rhubarb Thrasher. Plenty of exceptions then. Knew it was too good to be true. :)
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Rhubarb Thrasher on June 04, 2008, 18:20:19
if you catch them on the bus tomorrow, you will put the boot in I hope. i caught the end of a conversation on top of Glastonbury Tor once, where some hot-housing dad was saying to his son (about 10) - very good, now how do you say that in Japanese?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: BAK on June 04, 2008, 18:23:40
pidgin latin is much more interesting / entertaining, eg nil illegitimi carborundum est.
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Rhubarb Thrasher on June 04, 2008, 18:38:06
Me transmitte sursum, caledoni beam me up, Scotty
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: tim on June 04, 2008, 19:02:08
Our Squadron motto - In Omnibus Princeps = It's quicker by Bus.
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: cleo on June 04, 2008, 19:24:31
I was never any use

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: valmarg on June 04, 2008, 19:40:22
Wonderful cleo.

Another I like from the Carry On series is 'nulli expectori in omnibus (no spitting on the public transport).

valmarg
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: honeybee on June 04, 2008, 19:54:35
Don't you just love a bit of ear wigging that then leaves you thinking? ;D
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Rhubarb Thrasher on June 04, 2008, 20:01:35
or when Sid James first sees Cleopatra in her bath of asses milk -

Sid James (http://www.carryonline.com/carryonline/Downloads/audio/blimus.wav)
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: caroline7758 on June 04, 2008, 21:17:47
Hate to be pedantic, but surely an adjective or a verb can't be the object of a sentence anyway! Guess who used to be a language teacher (not Latin, mind you- I've forgotten all that!)
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: moonbells on June 05, 2008, 09:26:25
Quote from: Rhubarb Thrasher on June 04, 2008, 18:38:06
Me transmitte sursum, caledoni beam me up, Scotty

ROTFL

Let me think, 3rd declension singular endings, accusative -em (plural -es)
1st declension nominative -us (or irreg, eg puer) accusative -um
2nd declension nominative -a accusative -am
rest I can't remember.

I do still get annoyed at folk saying 'the data is flawed' when it ought to be 'data are' (datum is the singular, and is therefore the rule-breaker to the original comment, as it is nominative with -m). That and the prevalence of English plurals on Latin words eg stadium, stadiums (should be stadia) which is another nominative -m  ;D

moonbells
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Rhubarb Thrasher on June 05, 2008, 09:47:20
you can get yourself in trouble with this - someone on the News Quiz was showing off his public school education by saying that the plural of platypus was platypi, as in a 2nd declension latin noun, but it's from Greek, and the plural should be platypodes. The same goes for octopus, which also gives a silly result
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: moonbells on June 05, 2008, 10:05:39
Oh I like it!

Stadium does have an interesting etymology: Latin stadium (natch) but also Greek stadion. The Romans got their measure of length from the Greek. But either way, both plurals are valid.

moonbells
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Flunky on June 05, 2008, 10:18:43
This thread reminds me of "life of brian" and the "romans go home" segment. V. Funny  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Barnowl on June 05, 2008, 10:29:38
Caesar adsum jam forte, Julius aderat. Caesar sic in omnibus, Julius sic inat.
Title: Re: Latin grammar? Calling all schoolmasters..
Post by: Rhubarb Thrasher on June 05, 2008, 10:41:50
I like Psalm 126 Vanum est vobis ante lucem surgere - it's a waste of time you getting up early

very silly when Handel gave it the Hallelujah Chorus treatment