I was driving home from Huddersfield today when I was pulled over by the police and the highways agency who where doing spot checks, the highways chap too about a minute to look at my lights etc then a police man came up wuth a fancy gadget that he typed my reg number into and it told him all my cars details (inc insurance) he then asked me to pull up a bit which I did, 45 minutes later another copper came up and started the whole proscess again, I asked him if he was joking and said that I'd now been parked up for over an hour and had things to do, he then went away for 10/15 minutes and came back and told we to be on my way.
It's a real shame the 40 (or so) police officers that spend a whole day pulling over innocent motorists couldn't have spent the time solving crime of sorting out the kids that hang around the streets (inc ours) plaguing people. >:(
Whilst I can see your frustration. We all end up paying for untaxed and uninsured drivers, so its good to get them off the road.
Police are a complete waste of time... motorists are easy pickings for bonuses to be hit!!!! If your house get's burgled you wait hours for them to arrive, but you park on double yellows and you can't keep them away. It's about time they started earning the money they are paid by taxpayers. >:(
like most things in the UK, the police also have to achieve pointless targets set by people who have no idea how the world works.
Add that to breach of human rights if they give someone a dirty look, let alone a thick ear and mindless thugs who "know their rights"...
No wonder they target the motorist, most are law-abiding and therefore an easy way to hit quotas.
I find down our way, they pick on the motorists with minor infractions like maybe a light not working (yes I know it's still not legal, but....) yet they leave the boy/girl racers alone. I have a public car park at the bottom of my road that serves the beach and you can't have your windows open of an evening because they're all busy racing around down there. Not to mention that there's only one access road to the part of town I live in and as it's a straight road they use that as a track as well. I've also overhead on several occasions, the girls in the hairdresser laughing it up about how they drove pissed on the weekend and how funny it was. They wouldn't be finding it quite so funny if they'd killed a child or an adult for that matter. Then when my car was done over and I chased the little toads who did it, because I couldn't tell if their jumper was grey or black (it was night!), they wouldn't arrest them. When the shed got burgled (and they stole the padlock and bolt!) and they stole 2 kids mountain bikes, they didn't even bother to call out and it took me 4 weeks to get a crime number from them. To say I have little confidence in them would be an understatement.
However I will say that's just my experience and I'm sure there are some good ones who are dedicated to their job and feel tied up with stupid schemes and paperwork. I just wish they worked in my town!
45 minutes for a roadside check is ridiculous maks a conplaint the police are good at looking into complaints because they get so many ;)
When I was younger (and I'm only 25 now) I had nothing but respect and adoration for the police. Maybe it was the way I was raised but it helped that our local beat bobbie seemed to be WALKING around where I lived day and night. (I feel sorry for his wife looking back :))
He was a top notch bloke. Always have time to stop and chat when I was out playing, but at the same time I was terrified of him. If my mum threatened to get PC Walker (no I'm seiously not joking) to come tell me off I'd never do it again! And she did once. She shouted him when he walked past our house and he didn't think twice about coming in and telling me off for what now seems like the most trivial of things if he thought it would do some good.
He is now retired, and an ignorant WPC took over his stomping ground along with a plastic bobbie and you just never see them at all. In fact I couldn't even tell you their names.
Maybe it's just that I'm now older and more critical of the police, especially when I pay such a bit portion of my high council tax towards them and yet seem to see nothing in return when I need them.
there a waste of spece! i was burgled just before new year at 8pm, the police told me not to touch a thing, they finally arived at 1am to a frozen steve! this really isnt on, and after all that the finger print people didnt come till the day after! rubbish, they were more interested in accusing a friend of mine that i had staying for new year of the crime than doing anything!
i think its about time they all had a kick up the you know what! hehe
We were pulled in on saturday for a 'diesel' check. Hubby told the officer as she flagged him in that we were petrol, still she told him to pull up. Then another officer came over and told him where to park whilst her colleague collected his kit together to take a sample of the fuel. Again hubby explained that we were on petrol NOT diesel, again we were told to wait and be checked. The colleague came over and asked hubby to open fuel cap and said he just wanted to check the diesel, by this point hubby just said ' feel free'. The bloke doing the testing caught a whiff of the fuel just before beginning the test and turned to hubby and in all surprise said ' it's not diesel'. Hubby just said I told your colleagues that twice but they still thought I needed to be tested! Twelve months or so ago hubby used to work for a recovery garage that would take away the vehicles that were to be found having 'red' diesel instead of 'garage' front diesel in them. Many a time people have been made to wait over an hour for their fuel to be checked.....a waste of precious time in my opinion!
>:( Lost all respect for them after the way they went into the miners and poll tax protesters.
My son is a policeman in Bristol. He has an honours degree from Bristol University and could have got any number of jobs - but he wanted to "make a difference".
When he was in uniform he daily received abuse from Joe Public just for being a policeman in a public place. When something serious happens - what do we do we call the police! We expect them to pick up the pieces (literally in car accidents) sort out the marital arguments - keep the peace - he picks up bodies from the bottom of car parks. He picks up drunks too addled to get home after a good night out. He is expected to put his life on the line to protect JOE PUBLIC who all they can do is moan about the police!
Have any of you had to put your life on the line for someone you don't know? He does a job where loads of cars are untaxed and uninsured - sure you may have to wait a few minutes. I bet you would be happier to wait a few minutes rather than have some uninsured and untaxed vehicle plough into you and maim you or your family.
So people are burgled - nasty - but are you under threat any more? No - You have lost some "precious possessions" - better than your life I would say.
There are so many crackheads, youngsters,career criminals you name it - the chance of finding the burgler is slim - because there are so many. What are you wanting - a copper walking up and down every road in the country to protect your valuables - your telly - your hi-fi. Some lady has been raped/attacked - which would you say is more important?
Yes - not all coppers are good - but equally not all members of the public are and the abuse that the police get is phenomenal - and generally they don't retaliate.
The miners strike and the poll tax protesters - why should they be allowed to attack the policemen, hurt them with iron bars or bricks? These policemen are ordinary folk like you and me they have wives, families, mortgages. Did they make the miners come out on strike. They certainly didn't make the rules re Poll Tax - it was the government. So many police got hurt and eventually had to retire on health grounds for doing what - their JOB - so you have lost your respect for them!
They don't get paid Bonuses! What are you like! Maybe the odd Parking Attendent got the odd bonus - but policemen and women do not get bonuses.
Remember each and every policeman is daily prepared to put their life on the line for YOU! Yes they have faults - don't you? I do and I can imagine that the few people that don't admit to any faults are sick! There may even be policemen and women that have allotments - whoa does that mean you couldn't talk to them because they are a "waste of space"?
This thread has REALLY irritated me as it shows just how ungrateful and ignorant some people really can be and yet any hint of trouble or having been involved in an accident - one of the first people you will call will be - the emergency services - police, fire or ambulance.
Old Bird
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i have listened to all of your complaints and i would like to say i work very close in this field of occupation shall i say i do apperciate at times you i put up with blunders of sorts the problem doesnt exist with the police it self it lies to the current goverment who has seen it best to reduce the amount of police on the street and have community suport officers to do the dirty work of patrolling the streets as in the police not having the time to get to your needs at the earlist conveince shall we say stop and think why so much time is spent with bogus calls and wasted police resources i dont condone what has happend to you sitting on the side of the road as was said earlier they have ther own league tables to enforce // eg : if they catch somone it takes an extraordenary amount of an 8 hour shift to process one custody again accountabilty is the real issue so called good doers over the years have instigated the problem tying the police up in duplicate copies of paperwork all this is bye the byw to speak i will say one comment email your local mp for change unless your actively doing somthing about it what is the point . we all have complained about it how many of us do somthing consrtuctive how many of us make the call or intervene when there is wrong doing going on how many sit back and watch
Quote from: Old bird on May 14, 2008, 14:58:15
This thread has REALLY irritated me as it shows just how ungrateful and ignorant some people really can be
Not me - I will be eternally grateful for the way they smashed in my front door at 6:30 in the morning and arrested me in front of my 2 year old daughter, just 'cos I have poor taste in friends...
Quote from: Old bird on May 14, 2008, 14:58:15
Have any of you had to put your life on the line for someone you don't know?
Oldbirl I always look forward to your contribution to posts and 9 out of 10 times I agree with you. This happens to be the other 1 out of ten.
You asked if any of us would put our lives on the line for someone we don't know. I would hope everybody would answer this question as yes.
I myself am a serving reserve soldier, I've put my life on the line for a whole country full of people I don't know & domestically here in Britain when the lazy firemen decided they don't get paid enough for responding to a job a day. (On this subject I agree that the police do a hell of a lot more demanding work than the fire brigade)
The armed forces don't ask for thanks and they certainly don't get paid as much as a serving police constable and yet they get on with thier job to the best of their ability.
I do not doubt that your son is a superb PC and joined the service for all of the right reasons. However I also do not doubt that many PC's joined with that intention and got fed up with all the paperwork and red tape imposed on them by the government and became dissilusioned with it all. So I sympathise with them. But I'd also ask them not to take it out on Joe Public.
We live in a rural community, and the only time you see a police officer in the area is if they are lost.
I wish, when the government is quoting statistics about crime levels being down, would add the word 'reported' in front of their figures. If you are burgled there is just no point ringing the local 'part-time' police station. All you will be given is a 'crime number'. Nobody will bother to visit.
If you do report it to your insurance company all you will end up with is dearer premiums.
Police - a complete waste of bagging.
What I really object to is the percentage increase in our council tax for police. We pay a hell of a lot of money for nothing!!!
valmarg
Ollie
You choose[i] your friends - shows a lack of judgement if that are that horrendous! Maybe to protect your child/children you should be more careful with your choice of friends.
Valmarg - you probably don't live in a crime "hotspot" what use is a copper to you when your place has been burgled it has happende - do you expect him to come up with the "burgler" with his SWAG bag in handcuffs - with all your stuff in his bag?
What would be the advantage of a policeman not looking lost in your rural area. They aren't allowed to "waste time" just to be seen in your area. What also would be the point if there is very little crime?
Lacelotte I agree with all your points and say "thanks" yes I for one appreciate what you are prepared to do as a reservist. The paperwork is ridiculous and there are so many "human rights" "racial prejudice" issues that the police have also to be mindful of. I doubt that they "take it out on" Joe Public but I can understand their frustration with the Courts system and the ridiculous amount of paperwork that has to be done - for even very minor indiscretions!
Old Bird
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What can they do for you - take fingerprints? Wow that will help - how many people live on this island? 60 odd million! If and it is a big IF they found someone who had burgled your house they would have to find "evidence" do an inordinate amount of paperwork and the likely possibility of "lack of evidence" ie he/she had got rid of your stuff, he would get off scot free with the local magistrate saying that the police supplied "insufficient evidence"!
If the police weren't there Valmarg - you may get cheaper Council Tax but it would cost smaller rural communities a hell of a lot more for "security"!
Old Bird
Quote from: Old bird on May 14, 2008, 16:20:16
Ollie
You choose[i] your friends - shows a lack of judgement if that are that horrendous! Maybe to protect your child/children you should be more careful with your choice of friends.
Old Bird
Well, any idiot could tell that I wasn't involved, apart, it appears, from the police. And please, you think I haven't looked at what I could've done differently? I've nearly posted several times on listening post, but it's not really appropriate for public discussion and even though this is a lovely group of people, I don't think most people would understand (we always automatically think where there's smoke there's fire). Suffice to say, it's astonishing how much time and money can be wasted whilst the police play around with your life. And I know they're only doing their jobs.
Hindsight's not much use though... I can't go into details I have a trial pending, but the police have an amazing amount of power which should be used carefully and isn't always, from my point of view.
I have every respect for the police.
How many times have any of you phoned them up and said "thanks".
Thanks for taking gods knows how many tonnes of hard drugs off the street, thanks for taking that peado off the street, thanks for looking after the woman who has been raped, thanks for catching the person that murdered a relative or someone you love.
We only seem to remember the time we got pulled for speeding or some minor offence. The key word there is OFFENCE, if you brreak the law then you get done. Simple. They dont break into your house they are using a warrant which has been issued by another person who agreed with there request.
There always bad apples but thankfully they are as few and I WANT to believe far between. I would not want to do that job, you could not pay me enough. Judging by all these remarks i am glad i dont.
Go easy on them and if you take one thing away from this thread. You could call them all the names under the sun and have no repsect at all for them. But when the sh1t hits the fan. Who would you call ? me ?
Four police forces have warrants for a man's arrest. We tell them where he is, but they don't go and arrest him.
We called all four police counties and told them where this person was staying. Still nothing. Apparently its not in their jurisdiction. He is still walking the streets and committing the same crimes the warrants are for!!!
If you knew what this man had done, you would want him off the streets too.
The victims however, have to be moved and hidden so this person doesn't find them.
I will never understand how this system works in the UK.
My friends neighbour is committing crimes on a daily basis, she has evidence, photographic and taken details to the local police station. She was told thanks and that was that, this person is still doing the crimes. Its not been investigated or looked at, but we get told if we see crime to contact the police.
After my own experiences, I don't have no faith in them whatsoever
I had been in my home 4 nights, with two children. Woke up at 2am in the morning with banging on my lounge window. I was petrified, I looked out the window to find armed police everywhere on my property. Never seen so many police in my life in one place..... then they realise they have the wrong property!!!!!... I had no apology, and was told to go back to sleep!!.
I bring my children up to respect them, and to go to them if they are in trouble. Just hope they don't have the experiences that I have had.
I've had nothing but good experiences with the police. When I've been in trouble or been burgled they've been there the same day and even went and knocked on doors all down my street. And they caught the bloke that did it and wrote to me to tell me about it. I think they do a great job against horrendous odds, but sometimes are too rigid in enforcing things when they could be more lenient or flexible. However, on the whole I would rather that were the case as I've seen countries where the police operate the other way around. As a rule, they do their best, and it annoys the hell out of me when people criticise them for enforcing rules they don't like (invariably traffic offences - why are drivers so incredibly selfish?).
Last year I felt threatened and was threatened along with my wife by a mob of feral teen scum, when we arrived home we phoned the police who did not want to know at the. Later that night I went back out when it was dark and came across two of the youths on their bikes one went one way and the other one came towards me, I was stood by a back entrance and when matey came by I whipped him off his bike and put the fear of god in him with a good slap thrown, 2230 that night the Police phone and asked was all ok, I said it is now and the only thing the copper could say to me was 'I hope you have not taken the law into your own hands, I said 'what me I would never do anything like that' ;)
Quote from: springbokgirlie on May 14, 2008, 16:39:03
Four police forces have warrants for a man's arrest. We tell them where he is, but they don't go and arrest him.
We called all four police counties and told them where this person was staying. Still nothing. Apparently its not in their jurisdiction. He is still walking the streets and committing the same crimes the warrants are for!!!
If you knew what this man had done, you would want him off the streets too.
The victims however, have to be moved and hidden so this person doesn't find them.
I will never understand how this system works in the UK.
My friends neighbour is committing crimes on a daily basis, she has evidence, photographic and taken details to the local police station. She was told thanks and that was that, this person is still doing the crimes. Its not been investigated or looked at, but we get told if we see crime to contact the police.
After my own experiences, I don't have no faith in them whatsoever
I had been in my home 4 nights, with two children. Woke up at 2am in the morning with banging on my lounge window. I was petrified, I looked out the window to find armed police everywhere on my property. Never seen so many police in my life in one place..... then they realise they have the wrong property!!!!!... I had no apology, and was told to go back to sleep!!.
I bring my children up to respect them, and to go to them if they are in trouble. Just hope they don't have the experiences that I have had.
Then make a complaint. Every single complaint has to be investigated. i think they must be targeted here too. Make your self heard do not take no for an answer. He who shouts loudest, gets heard.
I would of made complaint about armed response in my yard. In fact I would be very miffed and i would not of settled for anything less than a written apology from the super.
Quote from: Old bird on May 14, 2008, 16:20:16
Valmarg - you probably don't live in a crime "hotspot" what use is a copper to you when your place has been burgled it has happende - do you expect him to come up with the "burgler" with his SWAG bag in handcuffs - with all your stuff in his bag?
What would be the advantage of a policeman not looking lost in your rural area. They aren't allowed to "waste time" just to be seen in your area. What also would be the point if there is very little crime?
If the police weren't there Valmarg - you may get cheaper Council Tax but it would cost smaller rural communities a hell of a lot more for "security"!
Old Bird
Rural communities don't get much smaller than where we live, but we do have the burden of Alton Towers. When that place is open the crime rate in the village goes up. So we just have to accept it do we??
It would be nice to know that there were some police out there, but we NEVER see any.
Oh, and we live just over the Staffs/Derbys border from Ashbourne. A few years ago the Ashbourne police were receiving repeated complaints from a young girl regarding a former boyfriend stalking her. She is now dead, having been shot by the former boyfriend, and he is in prison.
The Ashbourne police issued a statement "We may have let her down in life, but we will see she gets justice in death." How crass can you get. If they'd been doing their job she would still be alive.
valmarg
We moved into a house that had been previously occupied by someone who had committed offences in three towns, it took several visits by the police for us to convince them my husband was not the 23 year old bad guy they were looking for , and yes they came twice in the early hours. It took a visit to the local cop shop to see the top cop to set the record straight. A waste of time, perhaps, but they were out there working and trying to catch a bad lad.
Last week I got a ticket for driving without a seat belt.It was onle a short distance. I had stopped the car almost outside of aschool to talk to a parent and popped the seat velt to reach over to pass something to her. I then finished my journey, about 500 yards, fogetting to re fasten it. I was seen and as I pulled into the school yard the police car pulled in behind me. They even saw me stop and lean over to the passenger window, but they also did see drive the last bit without a belt. I got a £30 fine. Unfair..well perhaps, but.. I could have hurt myself badly
in that last bit of my journey and that £30 fine will stay in my memory forever.I bet I don't do it again.
I could not do their job, I suspect that they are all tied up in red tape and paperwork so I did not criticise them. It is a lousy job in my opinion and I feel confident that the vast majority of police do the very best they can.
It takes a pretty good guy to stay polite with all they have to deal with, I doubt that I could, and I for one am glad they are there.
I am far from perfect in what I do and know I do the best I can, I just hope I am not judged too quickly for the things I am unable to achieve, I would love to have a magic wand to right all the wrongs in this world, I feel certain there are many police officers who feel the same.
Just my thoughts.
XX Jeannine
bang on jeannine. Here here.
I think one thing we can all agree with (hopefully) is that it's the system that 9 times out of 10 is the problem rather than the individual officers themselves. I have the utmost respect for the police as a whole, I couldn't do their job and freely admit that, I've taught my children to have that same respect for them as I feel it's an important value to have. I think we all just find it frustrating when we're a victim of crime (regardless of what it is, a crime is a crime, including my brake light) and we're not able to get the service we require. As for saying thanks, yes I am one of those people who does believe in saying thanks to someone who's helped me and I have on one occasion had reason to thank the local police, I just wish that the one occasion was two or three.
My post that started this thread wasn't to slate the individual officers that where there to do the job they are told to do but the fact is many parts of Britain are lawless, in the last two weeks we have had three windows smashed, my kids have been beaten up and my allotment has been vandalised all of which have gone unreported.
I think the blame should lay at the feet of government, years ago when most of us here were kids we knew that there was a line that you shouldn't cross, if that line was crossed at school you'd get the slipper or cane, at home you'd get a slape and on the street the local bobby would give you a clip round the ear but these days teachers are too scared to teach never mind make sure the kinds are behaving and the police have to meet targets and fill endless reams paper.
My original may not have sounded like it but I do respect the police and the work they do but I wish they could get on and do what we want them to do rather than take a large part of the working day with unnecessary rubbish.
Can't have any respect for something that doesn't exist, ie police. None in this area. Scarcer that rocking horse manure.
valmarg
Quote from: Old bird on May 14, 2008, 14:58:15
Have any of you had to put your life on the line for someone you don't know? important?
So many police got hurt and eventually had to retire on health grounds for doing what - their JOB - so you have lost your respect for them!
Remember each and every policeman is daily prepared to put their life on the line for YOU!
Most of the armed forces do this on a regular basis now due to the frequency of operational tours. So do security guards in shopping centres etc when they have to apprehend shoplifters. Firefighters, Lifeguards at sea, to name a few. So police are not the one and only.
Many other people in different professions get hurt and retire on health grounds across all professions. Some by accident, others by neglect.
I do not believe each and every policeman would put their life on the line. Personal beliefs, religion may fall into this category at some point. Example being Government policy threatening businesses with fines etc that cannot accommodate personal circumstances from everyman and his dog.
This past few years, our largest percentage of council tax increases have been to fund the police. To fund the shortfall in their pension. You do not see everyone elses job pension being funded this way. They should take the hit like everyone else. Private pensions are hit due to somebodies incompetence, public sector pensions are hit due to Government incompetence.
And finally... As the joke goes:
A woman phoned the police to say she had been burgled. They said no officers were available. She phoned back a minute later and said there was a man with a gun. Within minutes police were swarming everywhere. The officer approached her and said she had lied to her. To which she replied, and you lied to me. You told me no you had no officers available.
Quote from: Lacelotte on May 14, 2008, 15:35:38
Quote from: Old bird on May 14, 2008, 14:58:15
Have any of you had to put your life on the line for someone you don't know?
Oldbirl I always look forward to your contribution to posts and 9 out of 10 times I agree with you. This happens to be the other 1 out of ten.
You asked if any of us would put our lives on the line for someone we don't know. I would hope everybody would answer this question as yes.
I myself am a serving reserve soldier, I've put my life on the line for a whole country full of people I don't know & domestically here in Britain when the lazy firemen decided they don't get paid enough for responding to a job a day. (On this subject I agree that the police do a hell of a lot more demanding work than the fire brigade)
The armed forces don't ask for thanks and they certainly don't get paid as much as a serving police constable and yet they get on with thier job to the best of their ability.
I do not doubt that your son is a superb PC and joined the service for all of the right reasons. However I also do not doubt that many PC's joined with that intention and got fed up with all the paperwork and red tape imposed on them by the government and became dissilusioned with it all. So I sympathise with them. But I'd also ask them not to take it out on Joe Public.
I find the remark about "lazy firemen" the most offensive remark I have ever read on this site. I am not going to even bother saying why but to call them lazy for the job they do is disgusting. I shall now be putting the poster on my ignore list. Sheer ignorance.
The police have a hard job to do.We do need them.
However I think what riles a lot of people is that they are just not around when you need them.
We have problems with one brain cell youths in our village but no local copper to keep them in hand.I can not get my head around really young kids being allowed to stay out till all hours.What kind of parents do they have.?
Old Bird I think you should be proud that your son is a police officer.
Silly Billy of course Firemen are not lazy,I find it hard to believe anyone should think that.
MickW, I think it's too easy to blame government. I think society, by which I mean all of us, is at fault for a huge abdication of responsibility. No doubt government has largely contributed to this, but it's not easy to trace back. Was Maggie right about no such thing as society or did she help to cause it? There's thousands of contributary factors, seriously I think a major one is TV, apart from the poisonous rubbish it pours out, people did not used to just come home , go in and shut out the world as so many do now. And because they do this, in too many places the riffraff or whatever you want to call them own the streets. I'm glad I ain't a copper. Or a teacher. Or a fireman getting stones chucked at me while attending an incident. How cretinous can you get?
Quote from: silly billy on May 14, 2008, 23:23:54
I find the remark about "lazy firemen" the most offensive remark I have ever read on this site. I am not going to even bother saying why but to call them lazy for the job they do is disgusting. I shall now be putting the poster on my ignore list. Sheer ignorance.
I'm disgusting and ignorant and I'm being ignored. No love lost.
I made the remark after doing their job when they wouldn't (as you would have known if you had bothered to read my post in full) Why wouldn't they do the job they signed up for on the rate of pay they signed up for? Because they believe they should be paid as much as police constables for doing a job which is requires them to be out of their station one fifth of the time.
If this is the most offensive remark you have every read your either a fireman or you need to unwrap yourself from the cottom wool your surrounded in.
The fire brigade do a brilliant job WHEN they are doing it. Though I will never forgive them as a vital public service for striking and un-necessarily putting peoples lives at risk.
Shane
I read the whole post thankyou.
The service is in the process of being modernised therefore we deserve modern pay not an outdated wage structure (we don't get enhanced wages for working weekends or bank holidays yet the police and other public sectors do even the ihc staff for the police do). The firefighting role has changed beyond all recognition from what is was just a few years ago.We were offered and accepted 16% it was the goverment that put a stop to that hence the strike action which was voted on and backed by our union therefore we strike to protect our jobs for now and the future. Many firefighters left the picket line to go on emergency shouts. The reality of a police constable is that they are often at a desk not out on the street as you percieve. Funny how the police are fighting for the right to strike themselves over pay and the coastguards have just had a strike. In the fireservice if you are unfit to do the job your career ends yet the ihc's are full of police officers doing civilian jobs on full police pay when a civilian does the job for at least 10k less. Are we expected to do our job no matter what the pay and working conditions are just because we are public service. For someone to believe that we striked because we are lazy is incredible the stress of striking was as great as attending any incident.
As the saying goes "ignorance is bliss"
Quote from: silly billy on May 15, 2008, 10:28:42
Funny how the police are fighting for the right to strike themselves over pay
Ahh so you are a fireman.
I said I would never forgive a frontline public service for putting people at risk by striking and I stand by that. No matter which emergency service it is.
Maybe "lazy" wasn't the best of words to use, but that is how I feel & I'm entitled to my opinion, whoever it upsets. There are many people who have used far worse wording when describing the police and yet it's when the fire brigade is insulted all the dummies are spat out.
As for pay... Soldiers serving both at home and abroad get paid a hell of a lot less than the emergency services. Maybe they should go on strike to get a better pay deal.Would you be ok with that happening? More importantly, would you step in and do their job if they did?
My opinion is that all employees are entitled to strike if that is what the union votes for regardless of occupation.Then maybe the goverment of the time would sit up and take notice. I wouldnt step in and do their job as I don't agree with either of the "wars" in Iraq or Afghanistan. With regards dummies being spat out I am sure there is a large media campaign supporting soldiers and their pay and living conditions. The media never supported our action.
I don't agree with arson attacks yet thats what soldiers had to deal with when they were made to deal with when they took over the role of the fire brigade.
There are thousands of soldiers that don't agree with the current operations in Iraq & Afghanistan and many more who don't like the low pay (would you work for approx £3.50 p/h?), however they knew that was the job they were signing up for when they joined and accept that.
There was a large portion of the public who supported your cause but I think you (not you personally) lost most of the publics support the day you went on strike. I honestly believe that. The same thing would happen if the police went on strike.
We are not going to get anywhere here. You don't agree with my opinion (obviously) and you ignore the possitive comments I have made about the Fire Brigade so where do we go from here?
There's only 1 solution, Lacelotte & Billy - a drinking competition! Last one standing is the winner...
Haha I'm game. You paying Ollie?
If the end result is you 2 swapping man hugs whilst declaring your love for each other then yes, happily! It's quite rare that I agree with both sides of an argument...
In my previous posts I didn't mean to ignore the armed forces. All credit to them - they are doing a job for us brits that they shouldn't be doing and are getting killed and maimed for their trouble! Absolute credit to them all!
I was more talking about this country where the current trend is to moan about the police and the fact that they are sitting targets for malicious gossiping among various people.
They get slagged off as Valmarg is saying because they didn't protect a young girl who was being stalked by her ex who ended up killing her. What should the police done for her 24 hour protection. Should they have imprisoned the boyfriend? For what offence - calling her, writing letters to her, Obviously there are some nutters like this guy - but we can't lock up every nutter in case they do something bad!!
Mr Smith - there should be a few more of you around - sort the problem as we used to in "the old days" and I for one would be happy to live without street lights!!
Ktlawson - yes many others people get damaged doing their jobs - but they are not "targetted to be attacked" by the general public!
Ollie I hope your trial goes well - you have learned a lesson the hard way! All I can say on that one as you obviously regret your involvement however it happened.
KT the priority for police services is to protect lives - not possessions - if they were called by this silly lady saying she was being attacked - they did turn up in numbers - proving the point that they are there for important stuff. Whilst they were dealing with this ridiculous woman - someone else out there would not have got help because she had tied up the police, putting other peoples lives potentially in danger turning out to a false alarm of personal attack - I hope she has been convicted of wasting police time! How silly of her - I hope she isnt really being attacked next time she needs to call the police and they take it that she is a time waster who may have lost a few of her possessions!
Traffic offences - if you are speeding, driving while on mobile phone, no seat belts etc. if you are doing these things and get caught then the idea is you need to put your hands up and say OK I did it - so I now pay the fine. What is the problem with that. Break the law - you pay! There is a choice you know! It is not the policeman's fault that you can't behave within the law!
Anyway enough of a rant!
Old Bird
:o
I understand your opinion and its one to which you are entitled to. It annoys me to think that people believe that striking is taken lightly when it wasn't. Whilst you are right to say we signed up for the conditions at the time as I stated our role has changed completely now so the pay structure should also change. Thats the last words I shall type on the matter.
No drinking competiton for me i'm teetotal but maybe for Ollies sake we can manage the man hugs ;D ;D
Quote from: silly billy on May 15, 2008, 11:37:19
No drinking competiton for me i'm teetotal but maybe for Ollies sake we can manage the man hugs ;D ;D
Only if you wear your uniform ;) ;D ;D
Aaaaaawwww....... you guys.
If this string was a straw poll of the Great British public then the Police are not coming out of it in to good a light, personally I don't blame the Police it's the upstairs brigade the powers that be the PC sect the human rights act that's the problem what the Police have to deal with, plus two hours to fill a form out when they DO arrest someone, I just wish this was now locked because good or bad I don't like knocking our own, ;)
The reason that we call police when we are in need is simple...
WE PAY THEM FOR THIS WITH OUR TAXES!!!
Police officers take up the job because they enjoy it..... not many do it to make a difference, they choose the career because it appeals to them.
They would rather badger law abiding people about frivolous offences than tackle drug dealers and burglars.. why? because it's the easy option that allows targets to be maintained.
It's much easier to sit in a panda and pullover someone with a bulb out that won't cause too much of a fuss, and just accept a fine etc, than investigate real criminals where they would have to leave the comfort of their air conditioned cars and risk confrontation...
The reason that crimes rates continually increase is because many are too lazy or just can't be bothered to do the job that WE pay them for.
Jokerman, personally I think that a motorist driving at 40 past my house or in the dark with only one headlight working, is a bigger threat to my family than someone selling drugs to people who want to buy them with their own money & take them in the privacy of their own home... we all demonise people that commit different crimes to ourselves...
p.s Firefighters lost all my respect when they striked. If everyone did this then the country would be in a worse state than now. We all take on jobs aware of salary and conditions... just because they can put fear into people by not responding to calls doesn't mean that we should give in.
I have respect for the army for standing in for them while this was going on, and as previously mentioned they are a lot less paid and have a much more dangerous job. Rarely do they complain, and can you imagine what would happen if they went on strike during an invasion of the country...
If firefighters don't like the pay then find a new career, or maybe there aren't that many jobs where you can actually get paid for doing nothing 4/5's of your working day!!!
ollie, how can you say that...maybe you know different druggies to me....
I can live with losing your respect. As stated earlier ignorance is bliss.
Quote from: Old bird on May 15, 2008, 11:21:20
They get slagged off as Valmarg is saying because they didn't protect a young girl who was being stalked by her ex who ended up killing her. What should the police done for her 24 hour protection. Should they have imprisoned the boyfriend? For what offence - calling her, writing letters to her, Obviously there are some nutters like this guy - but we can't lock up every nutter in case they do
They could have believed her. When she went to them begging for help she was as good as told to sod off, and stop being a nuisance.
The independent enquiry chucked a police inspector off the force, and demoted several others (with no chance of promotion for years).
She didn't want 24 hour protection, she just wanted help. To know that there was somebody that believed her.
The police let her down very badly.
valmarg
Quote from: Old bird on May 15, 2008, 11:21:20
Ktlawson - yes many others people get damaged doing their jobs - but they are not "targetted to be attacked" by the general public!
KT the priority for police services is to protect lives - not possessions - if they were called by this silly lady saying she was being attacked - they did turn up in numbers - proving the point that they are there for important stuff. Whilst they were dealing with this ridiculous woman - someone else out there would not have got help because she had tied up the police, putting other peoples lives potentially in danger turning out to a false alarm of personal attack - I hope she has been convicted of wasting police time! How silly of her - I hope she isnt really being attacked next time she needs to call the police and they take it that she is a time waster who may have lost a few of her possessions!
1) If nobody else but the police are "
targetted to be attacked" by the general public!", try telling that to all the NHS staff who are attacked annually, the firefighters that get stones and bricks thrown at them when called out. That is why they have to re-allocate funding to put CCTV on fire appliances, taking it away from investing in more or better equipment & more valuable resources.
2)The woman making the phonecall was not real, it is an old long standing joke taking the mick out of the police. ::) ::) ::)
I always get the impression pigs were either bullied at school, or were a bullies.
They are'nt much cop, someone tried to pinch my Mini when i was up the lottie once - i spotted them and chased them off with a fork. Gave the fuzz the reg, apperance, description nothing happened. Spotted some hair coursers in the field near my lottie - who were around for a good hour after i called the fuzz - they said unles i had a reg plate no of their car they were'nt going to bother...
Me and my mates used to run raves on the downs, when i look back on it now they were completly useless then, they had no idea where they were, where we might go, they used to turn up at 3am, long after its started, ponce about like dinner time monitors at primary school, ask us to turn it down a bit then f-off back to the cop shop. They just could'nt be bothered - although looking back on it all i was'nt complaining then.. The Military police were even worse, we had a rave near RAF Benson once, they turned up in a load of landrovers, we all got a bit worried that the number was up, but then the gaffer came up asked us to tidy up after we left. A couple of them even joined in on the fun! so i suppose they were'nt all bad.
A way of getting round the striking Fireman problem would be something similar to what they have in France or did have and that is that when they are called up for national service they can serve in the Fire Brigade :)
Quote from: Mr Smith on May 16, 2008, 07:15:24
A way of getting round the striking Fireman problem would be something similar to what they have in France or did have and that is that when they are called up for national service they can serve in the Fire Brigade :)
An even better way would be to pay them what they are worth for risking their lives.
Strikers do not want to strike, they are forced into it as a last resort. As the government relies on the public outcry to face the strikers down instead of addressing the issue.
Ace,
I don't want to start slagging Firemen off I have several mates that are Firemen, in fact I remember the first time they went on strike a friend of mine who's brother was a Royal Marine Bandsman ended up squirting water and he argued that he did not join uo to be a bloody Fireman, but if and when they ever receive a fabulous payrise would they all stop moonlighting or doing any cash in hand jobs ;)
Quote from: ACE on May 16, 2008, 07:43:48Strikers do not want to strike, they are forced into it as a last resort.
Sorry but that's rubbish. People who strike choose to strike and vote to strike. It's just their way of holding the government/company to ransom. Nothing short of extortion.
And I say that in all lines of work. Not just public service jobs.
Shane
***Who is now preparing himself for the barrage of abuse from members of organised crime syndicates (AKA Unions)
Quote from: Mr Smith on May 16, 2008, 08:27:41
Ace,
I don't want to start slagging Firemen off I have several mates that are Firemen, in fact I remember the first time they went on strike a friend of mine who's brother was a Royal Marine Bandsman ended up squirting water and he argued that he did not join uo to be a bloody Fireman, but if and when they ever receive a fabulous payrise would they all stop moonlighting or doing any cash in hand jobs ;)
Someones been watching too many re-runs of London's Burning.
Quote from: Lacelotte on May 16, 2008, 09:10:46
Quote from: ACE on May 16, 2008, 07:43:48Strikers do not want to strike, they are forced into it as a last resort.
Sorry but that's rubbish. People who strike choose to strike and vote to strike. It's just their way of holding the government/company to ransom. Nothing short of extortion.
And I say that in all lines of work. Not just public service jobs.
Shane
***Who is now preparing himself for the barrage of abuse from members of organised crime syndicates (AKA Unions)
Did you notice that this thread of 'bloody coppers' has stayed on theme. Because that is all we would be being paid if it wasn't for the unions. We all hear the news every morning and listen to oil companies, supermarkets, airports etc openly bragging about their obscene, excessive profits. I am not a comunist, but I still think the workers should get a better share in wages. Without them the companies could not exist.
Quote from: ACE on May 16, 2008, 09:42:06I am not a Communist, but I still think the workers should get a better share in wages. Without them the companies could not exist.
I agree wholeheartedly. But the fat cats running the unions are being paid stupid amounts of money too. And I still do not agree with striking at all. That's my personal opinion. I walked through picked lines on numerous occasions when I was a local government officer and I would do it again without thinking twice.
P.S. I'm not a communist either, I'm happy with our constitutional monarchy (albeit not with a Labour government at it's helm)
Silly Billy,
No chance I don't watch any kind of tat on the box not even Heartbeat ;)
Valmarg - they may well have believed her - what should they have done then - it wouldn't have stopped the nutty boyfriend from killing her. You say the police let her down very badly - if the was that threatened her family friends and acquaintances also let her down badly - where were they? If the girl was that frightened why not move to somewhere safe?
Baccy Man - calling policemen Pigs - is derogatory and is evidence of what they have to put up with on a daily basis - I thought you had more intelligence than to sink to calling people names - I was obviously wrong! So did they steal your mini? No - the hare coursing - certainly important - but in the scheme of things - not that important!
KT - Doctors and nurses don't go in to work on a daily basis to break up fights and be attacked by general members of the public - I know that it does happen - but there are Security Guards employed to assist in this practice. Firefights yes do go to some very rough places and get attacked - normally they receive - as ambulance staff as well police back up and protection.
There are a number of "Police Haters" on this thread - and I doubt that they will ever change their views - sometimes entrenched in years of being "them and us".
Remember though - at the end of the day - they are all human beings, they have families, live in ordinary houses, go down the pub, they have financial worries, they have marital difficulties they have everything else/do everything else probably that people like you and me do! They are not so different.
Don't abuse them because of the job that they do. The generally don't deserve it and on a daily basis it probably sets some of them up to be less than generous to a minority of people who possibly could have got away with some minor crime or just being stopped as at the start of this thread and potentially if they met with some "attitude" decided to keep them longer than someone who was more amenable!!
We are all capable to a point of looking after ourselves and others. If people cared more than the "I'm all right Jack" attitude there would be less strife all round. We ought to do it more!
End of subject as far as I am concerned!
Old Bird
::)
Old Bird,
Totally agree ;)
Quote from: Old bird on May 16, 2008, 12:28:09
Doctors and nurses don't go in to work on a daily basis to break up fights and be attacked by general members of the public - I know that it does happen - but there are Security Guards employed to assist in this practice.
Police do not do this on a daily basis neither. As for security to assist.... do police not call on other police to assist... response cars, police horses at football games, riot police. It is their own version of additional security to assist. Same principles apply - they do not go it alone.
KT - Stop being thick!
All the people you are talking about are "POLICE OFFICERS" whether they have a horse, dog, response car, they do "go it alone" they are all POLICE OFFICERS - one group of people employed by the POLICE FORCE - do you have a problem that it is not one copper with 10-15 blokes attacking him!
Sounds like you would just cause trouble and carry on arguing for the sake of it!
Old Bird
Quote from: Old bird on May 16, 2008, 12:28:09
Baccy Man - calling policemen Pigs - is derogatory and is evidence of what they have to put up with on a daily basis - I thought you had more intelligence than to sink to calling people names - I was obviously wrong! So did they steal your mini? No - the hare coursing - certainly important - but in the scheme of things - not that important!
I believe you are confusing me with someone else probably keef based on the above comments.
Quote from: Old bird on May 16, 2008, 12:28:09
End of subject as far as I am concerned!
Old Bird
EH!
You are right ACE I will shut up now!!
Sorry Baccy Man yes you were right it was KEEF! Apologies for blackening your character!! I didn't think you were that stupid - and I was proved right!
I am gone now!
Old Bird! ;D
Quote from: Old bird on May 16, 2008, 14:09:32
KT - Stop being thick!
Old bird: I am not being thick! I do not start trouble for the sake of it as you put it. And just tell me when I started abusing you directly. Don't even start going down the abusive route. Maybe you misunderstand what is meant in my replies. But the police are not all they are cracked up to be. I do work in the interests of the public and the crown, and have done so for the past 20 years. So I do know what police do and what they don't do. I disagree with your opinions on this thread. My points of view are totally different to yours. And no matter what way you put it, you cannot and will not get me to go along with it.
Hey KT I just realised your just along the road from me. You must be "served" by Cleveland Police too right?
The less said on Cleveland Constabulary the better :)
Quote from: Old bird on May 16, 2008, 12:28:09
Baccy Man - calling policemen Pigs - is derogatory and is evidence of what they have to put up with on a daily basis - I thought you had more intelligence than to sink to calling people names - I was obviously wrong! So did they steal your mini? No - the hare coursing - certainly important - but in the scheme of things - not that important!
People have called the police Pigs for a long, long time along with many other "slang" words used to describe the babylon - i'm sure they get called a lot worse more general swear words..
No - still have the mini. My point is i rarely need to contact the filth - but everytime i have they've done absolutley nothing. Yes it might only be fairly petty crime (i hardly live in the bronx) but in general its defintaley on the increase. We rarely ever see any of the rozzers out this way - ever, perhaps if they bothered to put in an appearance now and then the petty crime would'nt occur so often.
I take it your not a fan of NWA then ?
For everyones enjoyment - found this,
5 - 0: Slang for police officers and/or a warning that police are approaching. Derived from the television show Hawaii 5-0.
Babylon: Jamaican English term for corrupt establishment systems, often applied to the police.
Bacon: Derived from Pigs: often used in the structure "I smell bacon" to warn of the approaching presence of an officer.
Barney: Term coined after Barney Fife from The Andy Griffith Show.
Bear: Short for "Smokey the Bear" in reference to the hats worn by some U.S. state police being similar to that of "Smokey the Bear". "Bear bait" is a reference to speeders, who may draw the attention of the police and allow slightly slower traffic to exceed the speed limit in their wake. "Bear in the Air" is a reference to a police chopper.
Berry: Originating from blueberry, referring to the blue uniform most officers wear.
Bizzies: Common Liverpool slang term for the police, it was invented as the police were always too "busy" to help. An alternative explanation of the term is that the police are seen as "busy-bodies" i.e. that they ask too many questions.
Blue Heelers: This is a term used in Australian and is after a breed of dog, the Australian Cattle Dog. This term is use because it accurately describes the personality and appearance (blue uniform) of a police officer. This term became used more frequently as it was used for the Australian police drama series Blue Heelers.
Blue Meanies: This is a 1960s hippy slang term for the police, it was used in the Beatles film the Yellow Submarine, although many viewers may not have realised its significance.
Bluebottle: A British term for policeman that may have derived from Cockney rhyming slang. 'Bottle' is an abbreviation of 'bottle and glass', which is rhyming slang for 'a**e'. (See also Bottles).
Bobby: This is not now widely used in Britain (except by the police, who still commonly use it to refer to themselves), though it can occur with a mixture of affection and slight irony in the phrase "village bobby", referring to the local community police officer. It is derived from Robert Peel (Bobby being the usual nickname for Robert), the founder of the Metropolitan Police.
Bottles: Cockney rhyming slang for Coppers (see below), from Bottles and Stoppers.
Boys in blue: A reference to the blue uniform worn by some officers.
Brass: Term originating from the brass badges that police carry in order to identify themselves.
Bronze: A term used for police officers in the 1979 Mel Gibson movie Mad Max
Bulls: An American term usually used to refer to railroad police but may also indicate regular police officers.
Cherry Toppers: Often used in reference to police cars which in most nations bear red lights on the top of the car.
Cop or Copper: While commonly believed to be an acronym for Constable On Patrol, the term refers to "one who captures or snatches". This word first appeared in the early 18th century, and can be matched with the word "cap", which has the same meaning and whose etymology can be traced to the Latin word 'capere'. (The word retains this meaning in other contexts: teenagers "cop a feel" on a date, and they have also been known to "cop an attitude".) Variation: Copper. It is also believed that the term Copper was the original, unshortened word, popularly believed to represent the copper badges American officers used to wear at the time of origin, but in fact probably used in Britain to mean "someone who cops" long before this.
Crusher: Of unknown origin but may have come from the nickname used for the Royal Navy Regulating Branch.
Dibble or The Dibble: Arises from the police officer in the Hanna-Barbera animated programme Top Cat. Most commonly used in Manchester.
Do-do nutters or The Do-dos: Arises from the stereotype of police officers eating donuts.
DRC or The DRC: Dirty Rotten Cop(per).
Feds: Usually used in the United States to refer to higher federal law enforcement agencies, especially the F.B.I. The term has gained widespread use around the West Midlands area in the UK, especially Birmingham. Derogatory slang, possibly due to influence of imported US television programmes.
Filth: a widespread term used in several countries.
(Name of city)'s Finest: Used in either admiration, or slightly derisive irony, in the United States. In New York City, the term has been adapted to other civil servants, such as "New York's Bravest" (the Fire Department) and "New York's Boldest" (the Department of Correction).
First Bunch of Idiots: Referring to the F.B.I., the federal law enforcement arm of the United States
Flatfoot: A term that refers to the large amount of walking that a police officer would do, thus causing flat feet.
Folks, Tha Folks: Southern Louisiana, rarely used.
Fuzz: This North American term first appeared in the 1920s and gained popularity in the 1930s. This slang term may be in reference to the sound of the field radios that police commonly use. It surfaced in Britain in the 1960s.
The Heat: American; putting the heat on someone. (Example: in the line What a field day for the heat (Stephen Stills, "For What It's Worth" from Buffalo Springfield, 1967), Stills is referring to the police.)
The Gaver: Cockney slang for the police - unknown origin - London.
The Guards: Irish term for the Garda Síochána
Heavy or Heavies: Cockney rhyming slang for the Flying Squad, from the Heavy Mob, (see also Sweeney).
Horseman: A Canadian term referring to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Variation: Mounties.
Jake: A common term used and created in New York City, New York
John Law or Johnny Law: Used across the United States. Mostly an older term.
Knickers : see Nickers (below)
Mama (Maman in South): Hindi (Malayalam in South) word which means uncle. Sarcastic reference to a policeman.
The Man: A derisive term popular during the 1960s and 1970s during the anti-establishment and anti-authoritarian movements. Implies that police are a tool of the powerful "man" that is trying to keep others down.
Member: Used by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to refer to fellow Mounties in place of the usual "officer" or "constable" (or equivalent) in other police forces.
Mr. Plod, P.C. Plod or Plodder: a British term that arose from the Noddy books by Enid Blyton, in which Mr. Plod was the village policeman. "Plod" has also commonly been used by the British police themselves, as has its (generally disparaging) female equivalent "plonk".
Contd....
Nickers : A uncommon British term being a pun on "knickers" (female underwear). As the term is spoken not written the silent "k" in knickers is not obvious. This relates to an officer "nicking" a suspect i.e. arresting them, and taking them to "the nick" i.e. a cell in either a prison or police station.
Laws: A term originated in Houston, Texas.
One Time: A term where its meaning is derived from where if arrested all it takes is "one time" to be put away (convicted).
Old Bill: A term in use in London among other areas, inspiring the television series The Bill. The origin of this nickname is obscure; according to the Metropolitan Police themselves, there are at least 13 different explanations.
Pandu Hawaldar: Indian constabulary (and not officers) were recruited mostly from village areas. Pandu Ram was a common name in the villages. Hawaldar is a police sergeant.
Peeler: This also comes from Robert Peel (see 'Bobby'); it has largely disappeared in Britain, but is sometimes used in Northern Ireland.
Pigs: This term was widespread during the 19th century, disappeared for a while, but reappeared during the 20th century. It became especially popular during the 1960s and 1970s in the underground hippie and anti-establishment culture. It has also been used in anti-authoritarian punk and gangsta rap circles. Oz magazine showed a picture of a pig dressed as a policeman on a front cover. [1]
Po-po or Po: A term used commonly by North American youth and rap artists.
Po-9: A term originating from "po-po", used mostly in the southern US.
Penelope's: A slang word for the police term coined by the SF Bay Area rap artist E-40
Rashers: British slang derived from pigs.
Rozzers: A British term. To Rozz was slang for to roast in the East End of London.
Rollers: An American term believed to have originated in the San Francisco Bay Area
Scuffers: An old British term.
Scum: Used across Britain, as an insult to say that the police are lower than the criminals.
Snippers: An African-American term used mostly in North America.
Soggies: Australian term for officers of the Special Operations Group.
Sweeney: Cockney rhyming slang for the Flying Squad, from Sweeney Todd, inspiring the television series The Sweeney, (see also Heavy).
Smokey: A term from the CB Radio fad of the 1970s. See "Bear" above.
The Thin Blue Line: Used to describe the role of the police in being the barrier between civilized society and chaos, inspiring a TV series and a documentary of the same name. This has led to policemen involved in entrapping gays being ironically described as "The Thin Blue Jeans".
Tit-Heads or Tits : Rarely used derogative British term for uniformed police officers originating in the shape of traditional UK police helmets worn by patrolling officers which are or were a similar shape to a large female breast - as in the phrase (to a policeman) "take the tit off your head" meaning "relax" or "imagine you are not on duty".
Tyre Biters: A term typically used for country police officers because of their habit of being involved with frequent car chases.
Wallopers: Mostly Commonwealth usage, from "wallop" meaning to hit or beat.
Woodentops: British term for uniformed police. Believed to be a reference to the 1950s children's TV series The Woodentops, very rarely in use.
Quote from: Lacelotte on May 16, 2008, 15:10:08
Hey KT I just realised your just along the road from me. You must be "served" by Cleveland Police too right?
The less said on Cleveland Constabulary the better :)
I drive past yarm daily on my way to Catterick.
Yes we are served by Cleveland Police. I guess it depends upon which force serves your community as to the level of service you get.
I've just had a couple of pints with a former bobbie this dinner time and he is seventy years old who would give you a good slap in years gone by, but my question is why is there this ate for the Police of today?, surely the problems start in the home with the feral parents and kids we have £20 per kid for family allowance ya can't beat it easy money for the pub >:(
FUZZ was a type of rhyming slang word for constable which was pronounced c*nt stubble.
Ace,
Did you enjoy the scenes of British Bobbies having their heads kicked in by a group of Porridge wogs in Manchester the other night on the main TV news tonight?, but do you get any TV on the IOW ;)
all the above from one person saying they were stopped for a spot check.... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Quote from: Mr Smith on May 16, 2008, 18:24:58
Ace,
Did you enjoy the scenes of British Bobbies having their heads kicked in by a group of Porridge wogs in Manchester the other night on the main TV news tonight?, but do you get any TV on the IOW ;)
As a sweaty I find that offensive.... I'm gonna call the po...
No need for tellys on the Southern Island - they still marvel at fire.
Quote from: Mr Smith on May 16, 2008, 18:24:58
Ace,
Did you enjoy the scenes of British Bobbies having their heads kicked in by a group of Porridge wogs in Manchester the other night on the main TV news tonight?, but do you get any TV on the IOW ;)
Misunderstanding here ! I was just adding a correction to Keefs post. I'm all for a police force, as long as they do not try and help me. As a biker, although 'retired' member of a M.C. my problems would be sorted for me. Not that I seem to have any.
Quote from: springbokgirlie on May 16, 2008, 18:25:59
all the above from one person saying they were stopped for a spot check.... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Yes and I wish I'd never bothered, still it got us talking. :)
Mr Smith, I didn't have feral parents, they didn't get £20 family allowance for me and they didn't go to the pub either but I am not keen on the police as a whole.
I have a friend who is a policeman and very nice he is too but if asked I would have to say I don't like the police as a whole and I think this attitude towards the police force depends on one's experiences you have had with them in the past. Mine haven't been good, so nothing whatever to do with my parents.
Sinbad
Personally I do not have any problem with the police force, I think that most of the time they do a good job but like sinbad has said I do think a lot comes down to your own personal experiences with them. I do think that many of the 'minor' things like the spot/fuel checks can become time wasting and that there must be something or some way of reducing the valuable time for both the policing services and the public with regards this.
I didn't realise that a topic could get so heated!
Sinbad,
In my post have I said 'Sinbad comes from feral parents'? no ya can't, like reports you see in the papers every day the country does have a problem with Feral youth :)
Whether its the weather, food bills, electric bills, murders. kidnapping. theft and burglary, is all controlled by the PRESS, take from it as you wish, don't believe all of the trash you read, two of my children are in the Police one an Inspector GO9 squad, and the other in Special branch.
If your home was burgled tonight and your wife and children were raped who would you look to.
We are fortunate to have a truly excellent Police force but with people there can be human error, and people that will abuse any system, even your own work mates.
Don,t have much to do with the police, thank heavens! but I was a bit concerned when police came to the offices I clean saying a alarm was going off. I checked with the member of staff still in the building who confirmed all was well ,it was then he named the firm next door and when we stepped outside we could hear the alarm going off,NEXT door as I said bit concerned about the intelligence of someone who cannot see a sign or hear where a alarm is coming from
marg
Quote from: Old bird on May 16, 2008, 12:28:09
Valmarg - they may well have believed her - what should they have done then - it wouldn't have stopped the nutty boyfriend from killing her. You say the police let her down very badly - if the was that threatened her family friends and acquaintances also let her down badly - where were they? If the girl was that frightened why not move to somewhere safe?
Oldbird, are you being completely obtuse. That poor girl was being stalked, and sought help from the local police force. They did absolutely nothing. They could have arrested him, they could have issued restraining orders against him. The 'family and friends' were as destraught as she was in trying to get her help, but the police did NOTHING.
I suppose her biggest problem was that she was not rich and famous.
valmarg
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I suppose anyone can pick up on an isolated situation where a company or trained Armed Forces (Iraq) can get it wrong, even football players kicking the ball into there own net. errors of judgement are made we all are human.
But reading through the book written by Jonathan Aitken a born again Christian after going to Prison, Comments on how 90% of the prisoners behind bars cannot read or write, and it's generally accepted that those people are the none achievers of our society,on low income all of who made the choice of trying to cheat society.
Quote from: Vony on May 19, 2008, 05:37:39
written by Jonathan Aitken a born again Christian
I find it best not to spend too much time listening to people with imaginary friends...
Quote from: OllieC on May 19, 2008, 09:21:53
Quote from: Vony on May 19, 2008, 05:37:39
written by Jonathan Aitken a born again Christian
I find it best not to spend too much time listening to people with imaginary friends...
As a Christian I find that remark a bit off, but then again I also detest the phrase "born again Christian". **cringe** so I'm not going to pass any further comment on the matter ;D
Quote from: Lacelotte on May 19, 2008, 10:52:51
Quote from: OllieC on May 19, 2008, 09:21:53
Quote from: Vony on May 19, 2008, 05:37:39
written by Jonathan Aitken a born again Christian
I find it best not to spend too much time listening to people with imaginary friends...
As a Christian I find that remark a bit off, but then again I also detest the phrase "born again Christian". **cringe** so I'm not going to pass any further comment on the matter ;D
Sorry to have been offensive, but I met Jonathan Aitkin, at a church meeting back at Christmas time when he gave a talk about his life in Prison, and how he became a scribe for many inmates, I should of used better terminology by saying " given a second chance in life"
Respectfully yours
Vony.
;) Ok, we are doing well here, so far :-
We have the police, fire, unions and religion.
If anyone else can think of another group thats been missed can we please start there.
thanks in anticipation.
F.
Vony, no need to apologise. Many people refer to themselves as "born again". It just happens to make me cringe lol. I don't understand why anybody would call themselves that. But each to their own I suppose.
Shane
P.S. nobody has mentioned those bloody trains yet!
Haha - Flunky sussed me! Most of my family are Godly people, Lacelotte (especially my sister in law who's a vicar!)... I just said that for a bit more controversy, no offence intended!
Now, what about football? Can't stand it myself...
Does one every understand life, I have a daughter in Special branch terrorist unit with three commendations and for the past year has thought about retirement venturing into Ministerial training, without telling us her parents !!
Maybe she has seen enough of the streets of London and discovered another world.
Quote from: OllieC on May 19, 2008, 09:21:53
Quote from: Vony on May 19, 2008, 05:37:39
written by Jonathan Aitken a born again Christian
I find it best not to spend too much time listening to people with imaginary friends...
;D ;D ;D ;D
Ollie your SISTER is a vicar?! You mean a female vicar!!! Gordon forbid!!! What is this world coming to?! Female Clergy?! Next you will be telling me the Americans have appointed a homosexual Arch Bishop!!! ;D
And as for football!! It's a good job Darlington are absolutely rubbish!! They would have dragged the class of league 1 football down. They just cannot compete with teams of great calibre like Hartlepool United. ;D ;D ;D
I've been away for the weekend so have just read all five pages in one go, jesus christ what have you lot been smoking since I've been away, started off slagging the old bill and ended up talking about monkey hangers. :o ??? :-\ ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: cornykev on May 19, 2008, 20:05:58
I've been away for the weekend so have just read all five pages in one go, jesus christ what have you lot been smoking since I've been away, started off slagging the old bill and ended up talking about monkey hangers. :o ??? :-\ ;D ;D ;D
God question, never thought my little moan would get 96 replies. :o
Quote from: cornykev on May 19, 2008, 20:05:58
I've been away for the weekend so have just read all five pages in one go, jesus christ what have you lot been smoking since I've been away, started off slagging the old bill and ended up talking about monkey hangers. :o ??? :-\ ;D ;D ;D
I am glad someone said it, I was going to use the monkey hanger line thought better of it. Aparently the good people of hartlepool are very touchy about the "french" person incident.
Quote from: Flunky on May 20, 2008, 10:01:13
Quote from: cornykev on May 19, 2008, 20:05:58
I've been away for the weekend so have just read all five pages in one go, jesus christ what have you lot been smoking since I've been away, started off slagging the old bill and ended up talking about monkey hangers. :o ??? :-\ ;D ;D ;D
I am glad someone said it, I was going to use the monkey hanger line thought better of it. Aparently the good people of hartlepool are very touchy about the "french" person incident.
hmmmmm
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Quote from: Flunky on May 20, 2008, 10:01:13Aparently the good people of hartlepool are very touchy about the "french" person incident.
Non, non, non, non, non Missieur! We aren't touchy about it. ;D Most Hartlepudlians take the whole incident as a running joke, some are quite proud of it. Always interesting to note that it's the plastic Hartlepudlians of war torn British West Hartlepool (not even the real Harltepool!) that are most proud of it.
Those with a bit of sense know that the 'monkey' that washed ashore and was hung was more likely to have been a poor French powder monkey (a young lad who ran gun powder from the magazine store to the guns on ships). But that version isn't as fun lol.
Bloody shandy drinking southerners :P
Ok, ok point taken ;D
You are right would not of been as fun if not for an "actual" monkey.
The offence bit came in from an article I read in a magazine called bizarre. I thought it was a great story. But they said it was almost a swear word up t'north.
bloomin nothern monkey LOL. ;D ;D (please, no offence intended)
F.
I knew Lacelotte wouldn't be offended thats why I said it, as I have said before the OH comes from Hartlepool, apart from a bloke at work none that I have met have been offended, I even go and watch pools when I'm up there and Lace I don't drink shandy make mine a camerons touch. ;D ;D ;D
Whilst I should have to say that my previous posts on this site have not been terribly pro police. One thing I am 100% behind is the fact that they should receive their full pay rise.
They have been awarded it by an independent pay review body. They should receive the amount awarded in full.
For Gordon Brown/Jaqui Smith the person behind this cheapskate decision is Gordon Brown, in the same way that 'milk snatcher thatcher was only implementing grocer Heath's policies.
valmarg
Quote from: valmarg on May 21, 2008, 21:15:23
Whilst I should have to say that my previous posts on this site have not been terribly pro police. One thing I am 100% behind is the fact that they should receive their full pay rise.
Couldn't agree more.
Makes you think though - people who were prepared to fight with lazy striking miners, wanting the right to strike...
Quote from: OllieC on May 22, 2008, 12:12:25
Makes you think though - people who were prepared to fight with lazy striking miners, wanting the right to strike...
And they're off......
in the blue corner.....
Seconds out ding ding :o :-X ;D ;D ;D
Don't Shoot!! It's only a table leg!!/ I'm in a hurry to catch a train/ I've got a beard and am naked on my stairs.......