Hi
Just today checked on my garlic. I noticed some white/creamy colouring around the garlic/soil. Having looked in more detail this was also around the clove as well.
What could it be, and can I get rid of it with little or no ill effects to my garlic?
Many thanks
Lee
I have not experienced white rot so not really sure how it presents itself. There will be a lot of people here who can give you advice........sorry I cant be more helpful
I have never had it on the surface. It always presents as a white fluffy yucky stuff around the root area. The only visible sign is wilting in my experience. Anyways, I hope for your sake it ain't.
Quote from: redclanger on April 06, 2008, 21:08:39
I have never had it on the surface. It always presents as a white fluffy yucky stuff around the root area. The only visible sign is wilting in my experience. Anyways, I hope for your sake it ain't.
It's not actually on the surface, it's just that you can see it on the growing leaves, at soil level. Then, on closer inspection, it's all around the clove. It's sort of mouldy looking.
Cheers
Lee
A photo of on pulled showing the roots would be ideal, but i am betting on white rot. Is the Garlic shop bought ?.
Hmm...have you had this problem with other onion family?...
"...Dense fluffy white fungal growth appears around the base of the bulb..bulb start to rot.."
=White rot....
Treatment..."There is no chemical control available. Remove and burn all infected plants and do not grow onions or related plants on the same soil for at least 8 years..."
Let's hope that it is not white rot as it is really difficult fungi to get rid of..there is no treatment and it can last in soil 7+ yrs.
If this was first time for you, lets hope that after first attack if you keep that patch onion free it doesnt set it's "foot" permanently in...
Where did you get your cloves from? ..as this is one of the reasons that planting eg. supermarket cloves are not recommended as they are not "clean stock"..
I'm not trying to preach... :-X
Hopefully it is not white rot...but even if it is..You can still grow garlic etc. even in containers...
but if any of other areas are not affected with this be careful that you do not transfer the problem further...eg. clean the tools before using on other areas..gloves!!
Let us know how things progress..and if any other of the onion family get it...
Fingers grossed they do not....
Yes - photo??
As said - raised beds have saved the day for me.
may be wrong but it sounds a bit early for white rot.
It could be basal rot. Search web for info - here is one link
http://www.assuredproduce.co.uk/resources/000/158/228/Garlic_00053_06.pdf (http://www.assuredproduce.co.uk/resources/000/158/228/Garlic_00053_06.pdf)
Thanks so far for the help.
I got the garlic from Wilko's, some weeks back.
At the moment they are in a large container, so hopefuuly if it is the worse case scenario there's no further contamination.
Photo's- will def get some over the next few days.
Thanks
Lee
As you have grown the Garlic in containers then if it is white rot you have limited the damage. Do not use any of the tools you have used around the Garlic anywhere else without sterilizing them first.
http://www.garlic-central.com/disease.html
Phewww!!!..containers...Now you are telling us,,,great!..No damage done then... :)
Having read the advice from the others I am a bit stumped as well.
Just a thought!! You mentioned 'containers' ....they are not waterlogged are they?
This can sometimes result in algae/lichen forming.........as I said its just a thought!!
It is wrong time of the season for white rot outdoors, but if your is indoors...maybe...
I bet you haven't got the bag that you bought your garlic in....if you have...does it say that it comes from the desease free stock?...
If you you have the bag..and it does state it...take your garlic and get you money back... ;)...with right bo...ng.."cough"...telling off..
Quote from: Tee Gee on April 07, 2008, 12:39:30
Having read the advice from the others I am a bit stumped as well.
Just a thought!! You mentioned 'containers' ....they are not waterlogged are they?
This can sometimes result in algae/lichen forming.........as I said its just a thought!!
Think they may have been water logged, what with the weather we've been having. Is the algae/lichen less of a problem??
Lee
Quote from: goodlife on April 07, 2008, 12:58:09
It is wrong time of the season for white rot outdoors, but if your is indoors...maybe...
I bet you haven't got the bag that you bought your garlic in....if you have...does it say that it comes from the desease free stock?...
If you you have the bag..and it does state it...take your garlic and get you money back... ;)...with right bo...ng.."cough"...telling off..
Think I've still got the package, will look today when I go to take pics.
Cheers
Lee
"Think they may have been water logged, what with the weather we've been having. Is the algae/lichen less of a problem??"
...waterlogging does kill but it is not like desease...
As a result of the over wet soil or compost you would get greenish tinge over the surface which after while would start turn into moss or lichen growth....
In warm greenhouse algae growth can to happen on compost even without it being waterlogged...rainwater has lots of algae spores.
Algae/lichen is not problem for plants but they may indicate for underlying probles eg. waterlogging...
Got the photo's, but to honest, think they are dead. On closer inspection I seem to remember foliage growing, none now. Also, there seems to be no roots.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/lee197979/photo003.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/lee197979/photo002.jpg
and
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p52/lee197979/100_0650.jpg
Not fantastic, but you can make out the (now) green colouring.
Lee
Quotebut to honest, think they are dead
I would tend yto agree but;
If you gently squeeze the bulb what does it feel like?
Squishy?, ooze liquid? Soft ? Firm/hard?
Complete novice to me, but I had mould like that on my sweetpea bases.
Turned out I was overwatering them and they were a bit water logged.
Changed the pots, and it sorted the problem out.
Quote from: Tee Gee on April 07, 2008, 16:31:33
Quotebut to honest, think they are dead
I would tend yto agree but;
If you gently squeeze the bulb what does it feel like?
Squishy?, ooze liquid? Soft ? Firm/hard?
Like a bag of liquid.
Lee
QuoteLike a bag of liquid.
Need I say anymore? :-[
Get down to the supermarket and buy a couple of bulbs and try with these.
For now, its a cheaper option than buying from a dedicated supplier.
If you go to a dedicated supplier and assuming you can get some, it will be a bit late for sowing by the time the time they arrive, so at least this way you might be able to grow some.
Sorry!!
If I get some ASAP will it be too late? On other threads they say it is.
Thanks everyone for the help.
QuoteIf I get some ASAP will it be too late? On other threads they say it is.
This is quite possible but I would have thought you will get some.
As things stand you are not going to get any.
Personally I would give it a go on the old proviso........ ..
nothing ventured nothing gained.And getting your bulbs from a supermarket is certainly the cheapest option.
I would have thought you would get back as much as you put in. By the way only sow the biggest cloves ........eat the rest!
What you might find is that the cloves won't split, they need frost for this, and who is to say that we won't get any??
At the end of the day the choice is yours!
Best of luck
Cheers Tee Gee, with you on that one 'nothing ventured, nothing gained'.
I'll give it a go and see what happens.
Looking at your photos...I just wonder if your cloves were just too old/past their best and didn't have enough energy in them to put some growth on..and thats why they rotted off...
Quote from: goodlife on April 07, 2008, 23:22:32
Looking at your photos...I just wonder if your cloves were just too old/past their best and didn't have enough energy in them to put some growth on..and thats why they rotted off...
Haven't a clue. Although, soon after first planting them they were starting to grow foliage and had roots. Looked to be doing good, so think I got a false sense of security and concentrated on other things, without realising what was happening to them.
In that case they're dead.
It sounds like they were old then Lee, garlic doesnt usually sprout that quickly. They need to put roots down first.
It appears they sapped their own energy to fast with no nourishment.
Good luck with the new ones ;)
Cheers Star, will see how I get on. Fingers crossed.
Thanks for the replies.
Lee.
lee take a look at this link may help
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r584100511.html