I'm b*****y fuming. Just got an £80 fine off the DVLA. I sold my motorbike 2 months ago on Ebay. Sent off logbook details of newkeeper to DVLA. Got this fine so i've just phoned them up to see why. Because it was'nt taxed when i sold the bike i should have notified them. Even though the bikes never left my garage i get fined £80 [it looks even more ridiculous as i'm typing]
cant you appeal??
If it is not being kept on the road, the DVLA do need to be notified - they need a SORN - a statutory off road notice. Statutory being the key word - rememeber that ignorance of the law is never a defence - sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
same thing happened to me with my car. Completely my fault. I'm an idiot and this SORN thing is a good thing IMHO
Quote from: Rhubarb Thrasher on October 29, 2007, 16:15:52
this SORN thing is a good thing
What a load of bo11ocks! It is another way the law abiding get hit for fines and the person that has not registered his ownership of a vehicle gets of scot free.
They have cameras now that can read your reg. and instantly tell if you have tax, insurance and mot. But this only works if the police stop you straight a way. If you have not registered ownership it gets posted to the last know owner.
We are still paying for the thieving, tax dodging scum because of this stupid law.
don,t beat about the bush ACE, say what you mean
it's still a good thing
No Cambourne i've tried[computer says no]. Yeah thats right its a SORN of a b1tch i hate getting fined when i've done nothing wrong
road tax and insurance yes, but i've always been a bit vague as to whether MOT's are on a national database. Could someone point me in the right direction on t'web? just for curiosity, it's not important
I know when the garage does an mot they have to upload info to dvla . So i'd say yes.
it's www.motinfo.gov.uk, you need the reg and the v5 reference to check
I've seen this before I think. I tried to renew my road tax online but couldn't because my MOT wasn't registered using " MOT Computerisation". So i'm still unsure if all MOT's are on a national database. You don't hear on these Traffic Cops TV progs - "He's un-MOT'd !" for instance
I checked my MOT on the web and found it.
There may still be some valid mot certs that were not issued under the computerised system therefore the on line tax payment system cannot find the record. If they haven't already worked their way out of the system, they will soon then they will have control. Your every movement is now logged so if you are going to a lovers tryst leave the car, phone and credit card at home.
You think that is bad, just wait for the rfid chips to rule. Then a hi-tech gumshoe will be able to sit in his car and tell not only if the lady is wearing knickers but what colour, maker, design, shop bought from and
AND. Who bought them?
Quote from: Rhubarb Thrasher on October 29, 2007, 17:00:13
it's still a good thing
Please enlighten me. You mention in a later thread about police programmes. These are mainly made up by them pulling over some scrote in an untaxed car. At the end of the programmes they usually sum up and tell you if the offenders got fined/prison etc. for the offences. I have never heard of any being done for not being sorned. But put your car off the road for a month and forget the sorn we get fined for not doing it.
This law does not work, vehicles are still on the road being used by the crooks that this law was meant to catch. But all it does is penalise the innocent.
I can assure you that any police car/van fitted with ANPR will tell an officer instantly if the bike has an MOT.
The bike in question was not SORN'ed so to quote ACE in the eyes of the law the owner was or is"tax dodging scum". ANPR checks will reveal if the bike is taxed mot'd and insured or any other "markers" against the bike/car.The tax is actually the last thing that concerns any police officer pulling a car over insurance is number 1 priority but having no valid tax is usually the 1st sign of a number of offences.We don't display an insurance or mot disc so it starts with the tax disc.
you get a letter saying the road tax is up, and a form to fill in if you're car is off road. You stick it behind the clock and two and a half months later you get a nasty letter and a £90 fine. It's not exactly fair, but it's not exactly Stalin's Russia either. And as silly billy says, having wrong documents is often a sign of something much more serious, tho in my case it was just stupidity, which to be fair to me last time I looked wasn't illegal
I could understand getting fined if the bike was on the road with no tax on it,fair cop.But to get fined when the bikes never left my garage seems harsh. Anyway i'm trying to forget about it cause it makes my blood boil.
Quote from: Eristic on October 29, 2007, 18:56:43
Your every movement is now logged so if you are going to a lovers tryst leave the car, phone and credit card at home.
You think that is bad, just wait for the rfid chips to rule. Then a hi-tech gumshoe will be able to sit in his car and tell not only if the lady is wearing knickers but what colour, maker, design, shop bought from and
AND. Who bought them?
Are you aware of how far this goes, Eristic? And the probable motives behind it?
I've been looking at this a lot lately and it's bl##dy scary....
QuoteAre you aware of how far this goes, Eristic? And the probable motives behind it?
Afraid yes. ::)
Tell us more chaps. Wat does rfid stand for?
RFID= radio frequency ID, they have been around since the 70's.
They have been in use for a long time for things like tagging pets.
The tags are currently being used at one Tesco distribution centre in the UK, where the tags allow the rapid inventory of bulk items. They are also in use as a passcard for the M6 Toll. As prices are dropping rapidly they are likely to be used much more widely in the near future.
Some of the concerns about their use are discussed HERE (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/27/rfid_chips_are_here/) a google search will reveal loads more info on them.
Quote from: Eristic on October 29, 2007, 18:56:43
Your every movement is now logged so if you are going to a lovers tryst leave the car, phone and credit card at home.
I travel thousands of miles without being tracked (without the car, phone switched off and not using the credit card). The mobile phone can only tell where you've been when it was switched on. Did you realise that the coverage for mobile phones is extremely poor, we often travel in areas which don't have coverage. Many areas only get coverage on or near trunk roads, go into the rural areas and you are on your own. In these areas you are better off with a CB transceiver.
In the infamous Norman Tebbits words, "Get on your bike"
If you travel in your car you rarely go more than one mile without the details being recorded. While it is true there are areas of poor phone reception, that does not mean the base stations have totally lost you. When the data from multiple databases are compared, your position can be calculated to a fairly high degree of accuacy. At the momment, the number crunching facilities are poor and prone to error but that will change.
It cant track your phone if it is not switched on, otherwise the system would collapse with all the phones which are not in use.
Apparently they've been implanting rfid devices under the skin of certain american military personnel as well.
The mind boggles.
RFID have a lot of uses from bars in spain using it to allow you to pay for drinks to them replacing the standard dog tags in the military. They're a lot easier to use for identifying people than bio-metric data. You can buy your own bio RFID kit from thinkgeek.com. However these are passive tags and have to be put through a reader that is in a close proximity to the chip to get a response.
Certainly on the projects that we have run with rfid tags are not very successful and certainly don't help us with stock counts or anything else, at the moment the chips and labels are far too delicate to be used in a production environment. Though this doesn't stop major customers asking that we have all pallets that we send to them chipped. we don't use them on an item level as yet due to cost, and problems with activating and reading the response from all the chips
I don't see it as a major privacy thing where they are used at an item level or on a store security level they are on removable labels and packaging. Thise that aren't are deactivate as they are scanned (similar to the normal security devices passed over a pad and the chip inactivated). They're no more harmful than a barcode.
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