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Title: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 05, 2007, 19:58:04
Not everyone has heard of Digital RAW, let alone used it. If you are a RAW photographer, how about sharing some of what you know?
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: SnooziSuzi on October 05, 2007, 23:15:07
Is that anything to do with RAW format for digi photography, Ken?

I don't know anything about it personally but I remember the police photographer trainers going on about it at NPIA....  doesn't help you any though!
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 06, 2007, 14:24:32
Yes, Snoozi', it's an alternative way to take pictures.
I've just started shooting in RAW but have come up against a problem in that the RAW files aren't being recognised and wondered if there's a RAW brain out there who could answer some questions...got to be informative for everyone if it's on here, eh?
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: rosebud on October 06, 2007, 16:37:23
Ohhhhhh!, taking photos, in the raw, :o :o must see that where do you work Ken, Hahahahaha. ;D
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: star on October 06, 2007, 20:54:00
Can we all form a nice orderly queue please.........GET BACK,I'M NEXT!!!

Now Ken, where is it you take your pics in the RAW 8) :D ;D?
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: SnooziSuzi on October 06, 2007, 21:44:51
Quote from: kenkew on October 06, 2007, 14:24:32
Yes, Snoozi', it's an alternative way to take pictures.
I've just started shooting in RAW but have come up against a problem in that the RAW files aren't being recognised and wondered if there's a RAW brain out there who could answer some questions...got to be informative for everyone if it's on here, eh?

What graphics package are you using?
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 07, 2007, 11:57:40
That Rosebud and Star are very naughty....(will see you both in my dreams!)  ;)

I've just installed Adobe Lightroom, Snoozi' but it's not recognising any RAW files...Jpeg isn't a problem, but any RAW files on the mem card and it just tells me there are no files on the card.
I can download them but not via Lightroom. It's probably some small tweak I'm missing.
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: star on October 07, 2007, 13:04:08
 ;D ;D

Naughty???.......No not us ::)
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: GREENWIZARD on October 07, 2007, 14:39:50
Quote from: kenkew on October 06, 2007, 14:24:32
Yes, Snoozi', it's an alternative way to take pictures.
I've just started shooting in RAW but have come up against a problem in that the RAW files aren't being recognised and wondered if there's a RAW brain out there who could answer some questions...got to be informative for everyone if it's on here, eh?

same problem so went back to SHQ setting 3072x2304
on mine it says RAW data is in ORF format .....so i think i'd need to download a converter to change them to JPEG... far to complicated for me
i think RAW files can be upto 6x larger than JPEG files so it's alot of data stored on your card
but i imagine you have greater flexability when processing these files
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 07, 2007, 15:19:39
I'm guessing your 'ORF' describes your camera type RAW file. For a Nikon it's NEF, for a Canon it's CR, Pentax is PEF and mine is ARW. My camera is supported but Lightroom isn't recognising the files....have to delve deeper I guess.
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: DadnDom on October 07, 2007, 15:53:06
My OH likes to shoot in RAW. He uses a programme called Pixmantec Rawshooter. You can fiddle around with the image and then send it over to adobe and fiddle with it more lol
Hope this is of some help :)
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: OllieC on October 07, 2007, 15:57:10
ken, I don't know much about raw files, but I am a bit of a nerd. I was under the impression that they're all encoded slightly differently, even different models from the same manufacturer. I thought a major "weakness" was that this will eventually mean any given photo will become obsolete... As such, this would mean that although .raw is a file type, not all .raw files could be read by any given type of software.

More than happy to be wrong...
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 07, 2007, 17:17:38
Adobe Lightroom recognises my camera but for some reason doesn't 'see' there are RAW files on the disc. Might try reloading the software.
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: Eristic on October 08, 2007, 01:18:47
I had difficulties getting photoshop to recognise raw files from my camera and in the end I switched to tif mode without problem. I don't think there is a noticeable difference between tif and raw at any given resolution and the tif's are easily converted to jpgs for Internet use. Whenever possible I stay away from any proprietary file formats.
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 08, 2007, 10:40:44
Thanks Ollie'/Eristic...Jpeg and other formats are OK...it's just a bit frustrating to buy software and not be able to use it as the box states! I can download RAW into another programmme and transfer from there, but that defeats the object...I'll play with it 'til I get it...I think!... :-\
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: bunjies on October 14, 2007, 23:40:34
i have a nikon d40, i got a copy of picture project with it. any raw converter software will do what you need.
which is to convert your raw images into tiff files or jpegs.
i think that psp will convert files for you too ;)

i am in lust with my camera!

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d27/colliewoman1/DSC_02010001.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d27/colliewoman1/CSC_01520001.jpg)

and a gratuitous shot of idiot dog to make you all smile :)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d27/colliewoman1/DSC_01410001.jpg)

i am still stunned at the fact i own a digital camera without shutter lag!
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: star on October 15, 2007, 18:36:35
They're really lovely, bunjies. I wish I knew more about all this RAW stuff......and photography in general :(
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 15, 2007, 18:54:47
Stick around, Star. We all started with a Brownie...well, some of us!  :o
Look at Bunjies first pic...what is it? Well, it's a bit of a tree isn't it...but look 'into' the photo'....see how she's drawing your eye into the picture by using the tree roots...the main focus, the tree 'sculpture' is brought into perspective by her inclusion of an out-of-focus shot of the tree in the distance. That gives a sense of balance, perspective and focus to the whole thing...go out, shoot away...look at your results, do the same shoot later and you'll see a speedy development of your technique.
Good 'hunting'.
(New Comp section opening shortly...I'd like to see your efforts there)
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: star on October 15, 2007, 19:24:47
I will certainly give it go ...Oh mighty one ;D
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: bunjies on October 15, 2007, 23:04:33
ken, have a look at this. my friend uses it for her d70 and d80 images, and from what i have seen of it it is dead easy!
my favourite thing about it, its free to download ;D
http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: star on October 16, 2007, 13:11:08
 ::)I dont understand it, but I have bookmarked it anyhow.....hoping to learn from you guys a lot more. You'll need some patience mind! ;D ;D
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: Kea on October 17, 2007, 16:22:52
Ken,
Have you got a new model of camera? If so my OH says you may need to upgrade your version of Lightroom to the latest version 1.2

Also my OH says if you're using Vista there is a bug and he knows Canon Raw files won't download
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb401490&sliceId=1

the workaround is to manually copy the raw files form the flash crad on the hard disc, then import them into lightroom

Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: kenkew on October 17, 2007, 16:36:21
Thanks for all that, Kea.
Yes it is a fairly new model but I've already up-dated LRoom to cater for that. My model is now mentioned.

I do have a way round it, I simply drop the RAW's into 'My Pic's' and move them across. It's just a bit of a 'thing' when I shouldn't need to.
Thanks again...maybe I need a bigger hammer!
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: Kea on October 17, 2007, 17:17:41
I have plenty of sympathy for you. I have an expert on hand but he gets grumpy and calls me death to computers when I do something that doesn't work. It's probably because i don't have the logical approach that a computer programmer has, I am really useful for finding bugs in any software because of my unpredictable use of it.

Vista, if anyone has it has a lot of compatibility problems with software.
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: sawfish on October 20, 2007, 19:05:59
Raw files just give you the best quality possible. There is a plugin for Photoshop CS3 but if you use Fuji cameras you can get a free program for opening and altering raw files here....

http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-PaloAlto/9919/s7raw.html (http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-PaloAlto/9919/s7raw.html)

to be honest theres no need to use them unless you want enormous prints and are a professional photographer.

I can get 223 of the largest best quality JPEGS on my camera but only 64 RAW images, its hardly worth it.
Title: Re: RAW words
Post by: Simba42 on October 25, 2007, 18:58:56
Are you copying the files to your harddrive before looking at them or are they still on the card? I have the problem that im unable to view images via the camera. I have to upload them on to the machine.

I use Breezebrower to preview and select.http://www.breezesys.com/ (http://www.breezesys.com/)
LightRoom and PhotoShop CS3 to edit.

Is your copy of Lightroom legit?