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Title: unusual bees?
Post by: Grandma on April 12, 2007, 10:27:34
Know nothing about bees but saw some yesterday which I haven't seen before. What made me look twice was;-  a) they hovered - (hung absolutely motionless for minutes at a time - and I know they weren't hoverflies! :)) and b) their wings appeared exceptionally long, narrow and pointed and  were black/or black-edged.  There were four or five of them around one aubretia plant but they shot off as soon as I got within 'snapping' range. No stripes on the body, just an all-over mid-brown. I found the one I've snapped trapped in a spider's web in the green house. Not good pics, I know, as it wouldn't stay still, but maybe good enough for someone to tell me what they are? (The poor little thing did eventually get free of the spider's web!  :))
(http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/5532/funnybee1wc0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/7681/funnybee2cd8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Any ideas, please?
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: froglets on April 12, 2007, 10:50:59
Hope someone knows as I have these too - their legs hang down as they hovver.

They are there most days in the garden at the same spots and if I put my hand flat underneath them, they do occasionally sit on my hand for a bit then hovver off agian.

On the subject of bees, i have a large orange tailed bumble bee excavating a nest in my rockery.  WIll try & get a piccie next week.
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: Eristic on April 12, 2007, 11:02:41
It is probably one of many different species of solitary bees. These can make small nests in brick walls, holes in the ground, flowerpots etc. depending on their type. They are the cause of the large notches cut out of your rose leaves.

They are harmless to humans and perform the usual pollenation role of the other bees.

Useful link: http://www.bluewisteria.co.uk/pest/leafcutterbee.html (http://www.bluewisteria.co.uk/pest/leafcutterbee.html)
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on April 12, 2007, 11:04:44
It only appears to have one pair of wings not two, so that would make it a fly. On the other hand the body is very hairy and that's more like a bee. I don't have my books available right now (I'm at work) so I'll have to check later. What size are they?
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: triffid on April 12, 2007, 11:17:51
It's a bee-fly! No, really!  ;D  The bee-flies are real flies but they do a really good job of mimicking bees. That long poky-out tongue gives it away as Bombylius major. 

Your description of the long wings is spot on (one pair of wings = fly; true bees have two pairs of wings as Robert says). 
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: triffid on April 12, 2007, 11:52:02
Had a scout around and found these ID photos, Grandma ...

http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/insects/bombyliidae.htm
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: Grandma on April 12, 2007, 12:41:46
Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs!  ;D That's it exactly, Triff. Description and pics are spot on. I didn't know there were brown, furry flies. Fancy that! Thanks ever so much everyone.  :)
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on April 12, 2007, 13:28:44
That's what I was thinking, but I wanted to check. Bee-fly it is.
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: legless on April 12, 2007, 14:18:28
thanks! and thank goodness you got some photos, these have been driving me mad for days as i don't know what they are but every time i get a camera out they disappear!

i can sleep again!
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: GREENWIZARD on April 16, 2007, 13:48:30
must watch out for them
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: Georgie on April 16, 2007, 17:26:28
Fascinating thread.  Thanks so much, I've learnt something new today.   ;D

G x
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: triffid on April 16, 2007, 20:59:46
Heya Georgie :)
Learnt something new about bee-flies too, Georgie -- I didn't know their larvae were parasites of solitary bees.
And I've always thought of bee-flies as harmless little furry impressionists!

Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: angle shades on April 18, 2007, 17:48:15
:)

had one  on lottie today another first for me /shadesx
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: triffid on April 19, 2007, 18:56:14
Apparently aubretia is one of their favourite things, so if you have that, you may well find bee-flies hovering there (clever little beggars drink nectar in mid-hover!)

Of course, since this thread, I've been spotting bee-flies all over the garden. :)
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: Paulines7 on April 21, 2007, 11:13:53
Here is another picture of a beefly which I took last year.
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: Grandma on April 21, 2007, 16:08:57
Super picture Paulines7 - it certainly shows the dark edging on the wings to perfection. You'd never guess, from that angle, that it was brown and furry on top, would you?  ???
Title: Re: unusual bees?
Post by: telboy on April 21, 2007, 20:07:39
Thanks for all the info.,
Was puzzled this year as so many have visited the garden.
Things change don't they?