;Hello just to remind you i am still here willing to travel fair distance to shoot or Ferret your rabbits i am 41 years old no kid any more ;D I use quick humane methods pre silenced air rifle fully insured public liability to tune of 5 million pounds with the basc,i can do them with ferrets as well clears them out quick also before long they will be breeding like rabbits ;D so contact me on here or pk014i8385@ blueyonder.co.uk
All yorkshire areas and may be Lancashire areas covered. I can skin em for you as well. ;)
Here in my area of the UK, rabbits are not available for sale.
The reason - parasite of the spine.
Any comment?
can you do rats in NE lincolnshire?
ooo what do you fancy olive oil...rat risotto? ;D ;) :P
Do you deal with human vandals as well???????????????
Quote from: telboy on February 02, 2007, 23:21:26
Here in my area of the UK, rabbits are not available for sale.
The reason - parasite of the spine.
Any comment?
New one to me and can't find anything on the web about it. Which part of the UK and is it farmed or wild rabbits or both?
bear in mind the allotment holder doesnt have the right to shoot or give permission to shoot on their plot. This will go back to the land owner not the association or council.
without permission the insurance is not valid. Dont know how this applies to ferrets.
My view is that this is a VERY irresponsible posting and I wish it wasn't here >:(
I accept that rabbits are a nuisance and shooting is one way of controlling them in open places and on farmland. However you are advertising your 'discreet' service on allotments ???
Try it round here mate and The Plod'll be on your back in double-quick time with possibly 'lotmenteers and their families helping by making a Citizen's Arrest.
Now, I don't have an allotment or marauding rabbits in my garden, but the thought of someone like you who is crass enough to think that firing bullets in what is, essentially, a family environment is an OK thing to do just leads me on to another thought.....
perhaps JRP was right after all? :o
Alishka, hands or feet ... ? :D
Derek
trigger finger?
I am 100% behind what Alishka, has just said, you should not be advertising on here about killing anything. We all know that rabbits can be a nuisance is that a good reason to kill there are plenty of humans that are a bloody nuisance do we do the same????. Sad that you need to do such a thing to fill your life space up.
:)fortunally not all people are narrow minded like some of you people i am controlling a small holding at the moment where rabbits are causing untold damage and the two ladies are more than glad for me to be their every thing they grow is eaten or damaged ,holes and tunnels every where no good for horses and live stock un til you have suffered first hand from vermin best keep your mouths shut also bullets will not be flying round any where legal limit air rifles are used with silencers all control is done discreetly with land owner permission and full public liability insurance to the tune of 5 million pounds most farmers and land owners are very grateful i am their saving them money and doing a valuable job
Free of charge, rabbit tastes very nice pot roasted with vegeatables and is free range ;D
think you missed the point there NSBL. I think they were saying the confines of an allotment aren't the place to be shooting air rifles. You never know whats behind the target, thru a fence or whose kids (or more importantly greenhouse) may catch a ricochet.
Slightly different to a small holding.
and before you moan - I shoot myself (that is I shoot air rifles (at vermin) not inflict pain on myself)
As for the insurance (which I also have) it may be up to 5 million. But you try explaining to someone whose eye you have taken out that there may be a few quid in it for them.
Finally "narrow minded" is what I'd reserve for people advertising shooting on allotments - it wont take many more reported incidents to bring about a total ban.
GLOW >:(
Thanks Glow 8)
Are you understanding what we are saying now, laddie and what, certainly my, actual concerns are?
.....I really need to clarify this just in case either I've got it wrong or you've not expressed yourself too well.
Are you offering this service to individual plot holders on allotments, or
are you offering this to allotment societies where the Committees will canvass their members and make arrangements for the whole site to be cleared while the cull takes place?
Thanks.
Seems certain people are getting excited free discreet service using pre-silenced air rifle to all allotment and land owners ,Allotments come in all shape and sizes and are sited in rural and urban areas most rabbit activity is at night time or early morning pre -silenced rifle or Ferreting is a humane quick way of controlling them. Common sense is used eg Landowner gives written permission for me to control pest s and what methods and time i am allowed on also if lamping buggy's police will be informed i am there.If there are people on a allotment with a rabbit problem this is what i am offering free of charge .
Hope you now understand :) I have many calls from small farms to plant nurseries ,Small holdings and allotments and as i my self have a allotment understand the problems caused by pests.
Thanks for your time :)
i think excited is perhaps the wrong word, but certainly this is a very sensitive area.
Very sensitive land owners and farmers who livelihood is being destroyed.
Your entitled to your say thats what democracy is all about is it not.
Also this is the pest and diesease section where people are asking for help? ;)Not for putting people down with sarcasm ;)
Can talk about controlling Fox's if you like then again :)
just adding a demension to the discussion is all. 8)
Quote from: Nots so bad lad on February 06, 2007, 19:05:27
not all people are narrow minded like some of you / un til you have suffered first hand from vermin best keep your mouths shut
Whilst I don't agree with everyone's points, I do think you need to take a more pleasant tone. I was going to see if you sold the wabbits on as I have a fairly empty freezer at the moment, but would be reluctant to deal with someone that didn't address some of the concerns people had raised on here. 'Keep your mouths shut' is not a helpful response!
Shooting and allotments are not really an appropriate combination, IMHO.
do you have a cut off point for clearing rabbits? in this mild weather there will be does with a nest of kits underground needing feeding.
dont get me wrong, i am a bunny lover extraordinare but i do understand that in places they need to be culled. just as spring approaches and does are producing kittens to me is not the right time to be doing so :(
pest or not, nothing should be left to starve underground.
Good point Bunjies; as I understand it there are, indeed, 'open' and 'closed' seasons for culling rabbits - as there are, indeed, for foxes?
i dont know if vermin has a closed season as such, but there certainly ought to be.
thing is see (and not so bad lad, this isnt aimed at you as i guess you already know this) female buns only feed their kittens once or twice in 24 hours, the rest of the time they seal up the nursery and stay above ground so as not to attract predators to the nest. if people arent aware of this it would be all to easy to think that as the bun is above ground so much it hasnt got babies :(
on the other hand, if culling doesnt happen then myxi will wipe out 99% of the warren young and old alike. personally i feel that late autumn/winter is the time to pick off the old, weak, and diseased leaving a healthy smaller population for the following breeding season. any other time especially with the mild weather we have had, there will be babes underground.
when i get my lottie, if the buns are a problem i will use electric netting ;)
Are you sure that electric fencing does not put humans at risk, so that someone will sue you for damage. ::) ::)
Quote from: laurieuk on February 27, 2007, 15:41:00
Are you sure that electric fencing does not put humans at risk, so that someone will sue you for damage. ::) ::)
oooh i forgot about that! i guess i'll just have to fence it and bury the fencing!
As I see it, 'Free Rabbit Control' is down to foxes and NOT some trigger-happy human with a gun license.
And the same goes for 'Free Fox Control'.
It never ceases to amaze me that people think it's their 'God' given right to control what happens in our environment without a second thought for the long-term effects of their actions.
My chickens, ducks and 2 pet rabbits were killed by a fox. But it's not THEIR fault! They were just doing what's natural. It's OUR responsibility to look after our domesticated animals.
Oh and I've had the usual lectures: "You weren't brought up on a farm were you?"
No I wasn't, but I like to see the wider picture of how wildlife and domesticated animals live and it seems like a better perspective.
There is no closed season for rabbits or foxes - they are classed as vermin and may be killed, provided it is in a humane manner, all year round.
No longer relevant, but hunting had a closed season for foxes so that they were not hunted while with young. This was by tradition, not law.
I was brought up on a farm and have no qualms about shooting rabbits for the pot. After all, if you are not a vegetarian, the meat you eat meat doesn't grow wrapped in plastic on supermarket trees. But I think the energy/velocity required to kill a rabbit humanely (i.e. stone dead), with an airgun pellet would be on the high side for safety on an urban or suburban allotment and a rifle, even using sub-sonic .22 shorts, would surely be out of the question.
Good fencing is about the only way to keep rabbits out, although I believe they have quite an acute sense of smell so perhaps there's some substance that could put them off? Lion poo?
^^ totally agree with you hun.
i may be pet bunny woman extraordinare, but i certainly would not turn my nose up at rabbit stew. just so long as it isnt one of my 6 from the bunny shed :D
my father put a lot of meat on our table thanks to his 12 bore, i hadnt considered how powerful a rifle would have to be to kill a rabbit instantly. perhaps that where the ferrets come in?
anyhoo not rabbit for me or the dogs till next autumn. unless my friend needs to clear out his freezer again ;D
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Interesting thread. I note that a lot of 'anti' comments come from the feminine
side.
If one has the correct equipment and knowledge, as the original poster surely has, then there is no problem. The law is clear on where one can shoot an air rifle in relation to surroundings. I love rabbit meat, but as i said previously, local butchers won't sell it due to a 'parasite'. I will continue to kill vermin with my own equipment, for consumption or not.
As for foxes, the most inefficient way of dispatching a fox is by hunting. It's a game.
No, I live in the country & have done for many, many years.
just in case i have confused peeps......
i am not anti rabbit culling, at all. i would far rather see numbers controlled than see hundreds of myxi rabbits lining up at the roadside to die. i dont mind culling for the populations sake, i dont mind hunting to eat.
what i am anti, is doing so in the breeding season when there are young underground who will starve to death.
telboy, would you be able to find out for me what the parasite is please?
i am a tad obsessed with rabbits but havent heard about this and would dearly like to find out more.
the only nasty parasite i can think of is encephalitozoon cuniculi but i have never heard of it being a threat to human health. the only other thing i can think of is pasturella which has killed a human, but it isnt a parasite :-\
i hope there isnt a new disease doing the rounds that can affect pet rabbits, vhd is terrifying enough :'(
You won't find this feminine side anti telboy. My old man and brother in law keep the rabbit population under control at a smallholding in Kent. We have a freezer full of rabbit, lovely free meat and in a family of mostly meat eaters, it goes down well.
HOWEVER....I wouldn't want them on the allotment shooting. There is a time and a place. This is one of those sensitive subjects and I am going to leave the room now as I don't want to be shouted at. :-\
No shouting from me either, and I'm quite capable of butchering, drawing & skinning them too. My reservation was of shooting them on an allotment site which was not closed for the cull to take place - a safety issue, is all.
Thankyou ladies.
The issue of 'the parasite' is down to a 'rumour' passed by 'mouth'. The butcher involved shifts an one hell of a lot of meat in his excellent business.
You can imagine his problems if he had not withdrawn the 'offensive' product. I have to, now, go out & shoot my own rabbits, when I could save a lead pellet or two/not contaminate the ground in the event of a miss/ support the local economy etc.
Rumours, don't you just love 'em??? >:(
I'm a shooter also, air rifles and shotguns, target, clays and game.
Where I'm sure the original poster had every good intention...well sort of, as he got a bit funny toward the end and acted a little holier than though, he's certainly asking the wrong people.
The land is generally owned by the council, so they are the ones to give permission. Therefore, its them to get in touch with. However, if there is a lottie association person that could introduce said person to land owner because there was a problem, then I see no problem with that. I'd really be wholly suprised if the council allowed it though, as there's just too much human traffic at an allotment. True pest control can be done at night and the early hours, but I'm sure if there is a problem, the council would get a professional in.
I understand shooters asking though, as its extremely difficult to get land to shoot these days, and the only way to get it is ask. However, my opinion is that an allotment is not the right place to be shooting. Don't see an issue with ferreting though.
I like roast rabbit, grilled rabbit,and in a stew,but not on my allotment. i garden organic and i cannot think of a more organic way of getting rid of them than with 2oz of lead between the eyes.I don't think for one moment that NSBL would come on ya allotments with all guns blazing shooting at all that moves,but do the job at dawn or dusk (with permission )when nobody is about(apart from the odd vandal)and set his shoots up carefully as not to hit anything or any body other than the rabbit.The fact that he as botherd to get insured tells ya he takes his shooting seriously.There is no deferents between a Caterpillar or a rabbit apart from i eat the latter when i kill them. ;D
Well let me put this a different way,if you show up on my allotment with a rifle,or your ferret(they are not allowed by the way) I shall be very upset, and I might add I have hunted moose, and bred rabbits for meat,so it is not the bunny rabbit thing with this lady, I am all for foraging /hunting for food purposes, but not for sport and certainly not in the confines of the average sized allotment and apart from the obvious dangers to people,kids,you might not see, or the chance that you might pop a few greenhouse windows or worse still pop my pumpkins, I don't want my serene lottie days peppered with gunfire especially as it would draw a crowd of neer do wells who would be out there the next week with their air rifles and beebie guns.
And finally I don't think this is the place to advertise your business.Jeannine
:o You had a Moose on ya allotment :o :o... ;)
No, I lived in Canada at the time, you are making me wet my laptop...I meant laughing, here moosey moosey. I have this picture of a big Canadian moose standing in my cabbage patch with a guy chasing it with a loaded gun and a ferret. and me throwing pumpkins at him.XX Jeannine
Yeah right ::) nearly had me going there...tut...i ask ya a ferret. ;)
;)Hello thanks for some positive and negative feed back yep i can understand this been a sensitive issue yep rabbits are now breeding like they do most of the year unfortunately if i am asked to cull bugs thats what it usually means farmers landowners want rid.Also i have acquired some permission from a farmer who,s rabbits are gong into a allotment for free veg so yes advertising on here has worked ;) Not all allotments are urban some are in remote country side areas surrounded by farm land also not all are council owned ;) AS i have stated before most rabbit activity is at night or early morning and control is done to st rick guide lines and commen sense unfortunately because air rifles are not licenced a lot of idiots get hold of them and give responsible people like my self a bad press.In the right hands they are a quite discreet tool for dispatch of vermin.The kill zone with a air rifle on a rabbit is 35 yards. Also their is no close season though winter time is usually when they are in perfect condition and hunted .Most people eat meat so this post should not be so upsetting the differance i think it is too easy to have your chicken or roast beef done for you wrapped in cling film carton in a super market sit down some time and think how some animals are kept and what happens in a slaughter house. If you want bugs doing you Know where i am ;)