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Title: Outdoor grape
Post by: Froglegs on January 26, 2007, 23:59:42
Thinking about getting a outdoor grape vine can any of you guys recommend one
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: jennym on January 27, 2007, 00:05:41
Black grape, Baco 1 - not prone to mildew, smallish grapes good for eating or wine. Mine is on the back of the shed, facing South.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a215/jennympics/GrapeBaco1200906forA4A.jpg)
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: cornykev on January 27, 2007, 11:29:43
Hi Frog ,  Hi Jen do you grow any green grapes my littlen loves them so I wanted to buy the one's just for eating any ideas. Will pm you about JA's during the week any day will suit.   ;D ;D ;D ;
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: saddad on January 27, 2007, 15:15:33
I do well with a black "Regent against a wall in sunny Derby
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e190/Plot52/Fruit.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e190/Plot52/david_bettyaug2005.jpg)

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e190/Plot52/grapessept2005.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: flossie on January 27, 2007, 15:22:30
Lovely pictures
how old is it?
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: saddad on January 27, 2007, 15:26:23
The middle pic is sept 05 and it went in the previous Oct... so about three years old.
It is very vigerous and the trick is to keep cutting it back... even used some of the leaves for Dolmades(?)
;D
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: STHLMgreen on January 27, 2007, 16:22:37
Not sure if you could find them, but here are a few sorts of grapes grown in Sweden:

'Sukribe' and 'Zilga' (both self fertilizing)

I believe it is Zilga that the allotment next to mine has and they're delicious. Tart and tasty,

Also Blue Burgandy, Lakemont, Muscat of Alexandria, Vino Nordica, Shuyler.
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: saddad on January 27, 2007, 16:25:21
I fancy a Lakemont, a white seedless variety... has any one grown it outside this far north (Derby).
???
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: DavidW on January 27, 2007, 16:44:44
Frogs legs, try this site, i found it excellent for service, price and will answer any questions you have.

http://www.winegrowers.info/index.htm


David
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: grogirl on January 27, 2007, 18:59:43
saddad  :o :o :o! those pics are outstanding! i am deffinately going to be buying a vine for my southfacing wall, and if it looks half that good i'll be over the moon. have you got any top tips? also, is it growing in a container?  thank you gg xx
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: cornykev on January 27, 2007, 19:25:40
The pictures do look great Saddad love to have one of them seat thingys with all them grapes growing over and your daughter looks like shes really enjoying herself.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: cambourne7 on January 27, 2007, 20:55:27
hi

i found this useful http://www.newhallwines.co.uk/VinesCare.htm

and i got my first vine from http://wine.hillyheights.co.uk/ via ebay for £2

It has not survived and hes going to replace it for me :-)

I am looking to put 6 vines down my plot ( not expecting much of a crop as its so windy ) trained on wire between posts ( 1 vine and one climbing plant on each 8ft pannel.

Cambourne7
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: saddad on January 27, 2007, 21:09:06
It's straight into the soil tho that collar does confuse the idea. It grows really well over the Arbour and Betty (89) likes it too! I still don't thin enough either bunches or grapes within bunches... I can bear to cut out 1/2 but really need to cut out 3/4...
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: cambourne7 on January 27, 2007, 21:17:11
mine will be more of a wind break :-)

Grapes a bonus
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: weedin project on January 28, 2007, 23:36:47
Frogslegs
depends what you want to do with the grapes - we used
Quote from: DavidW on January 27, 2007, 16:44:44
Frogs legs, try this site, i found it excellent for service, price and will answer any questions you have.

http://www.winegrowers.info/index.htm


David
in 2004 when we set our garden up, and found them really good - lots of sensible advice and prompt service.

If you want to make wine, Orion produces a really good white one here in south Champshire - my first attempts were shockingly good - and Saddad's Regent makes a very pruney/fruity/port-like red here.  Pinot noir seems to be basically bird food, so needs netting (found out the hard way, still not a drop to drink!) :(.  I'm going to try some pinot gris in a greenhouse next.  I don't know where you live so maybe e-mailing Derek@winegrowers.info would be a sensible first step.

Good luck with it, I think they are great plants to grow!
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: Froglegs on January 29, 2007, 12:26:55
Hi saddad does Regent suffer with mildew,the one Ive got at the moment suffers terrible and thats why i wont to replace it. And if it grows that good in Derby think it shoud do well in Nott's

Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: Froglegs on January 29, 2007, 12:28:47
P.S. The one i got is called Muller Thurgau. ;D
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: saddad on January 29, 2007, 18:12:43
I've never had a single leaf with Mildew (YET)..... ???
:)
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: jennym on January 29, 2007, 23:20:58
I have just remembered the name of the green grape that I grew which suffered badly from mildew, it was Madeleine Angevine - although I have heard it recommended by other people, I had no luck with it.
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: blight on January 30, 2007, 10:11:16
@froglegs,
QuoteThe one i got is called Muller Thurgau.
"müller-thurgau" is one of the most vulnerable varieties, as far as mildew/peronospera is concerned.
"regent" should succeed without any treatment or one at the most if it rains a lot during flowering time.
both varieties are suitable for wine making.
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: sweet-pea on January 30, 2007, 10:36:55
I'd never thought of planting a grape vine, but I'm very tempted now.  How long after planting do you get your first grapes?
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: saddad on January 30, 2007, 17:27:46
We eat our Regent as dessert, they are a bit small and have pips... but I need to up the thinning to get bigger grapes, they are sweet enough by the end of Sept.
We got some the first Summer after planting!
;D
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: angle shades on January 30, 2007, 18:45:28
:)

you have really encouraged me to grow grapes Saddad I have a wilkos grape vine , so don't know what variety it is ::) ::) it's a black one :P

your pictures are lovely btw  /   shades x
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: okra on January 30, 2007, 18:57:13
I have had one in the garden for a number of years, don't know what variety is but they are black, small and pippy and taste okay. We also use the leaves for dolmas (filled vine leaves) and I have also made some wine (which tasted okay)
Title: Re: Outdoor grape
Post by: Froglegs on January 31, 2007, 00:24:53
Regent it is then......oh and does the seat thingy come as a added extra. ;D ;D