Hi Everybody!
Please can somebody supply me with a full list of what is called 'seasonal vegetables'
I know when they are judging allotments you get 1 point for each one, up to 5 point.
Thanks
Rosemary
Funny - thought that all our vegetables in season were in season.
I'm missing something??
Hi Tim,
As usual you are on the ball. I also thought the same as you and was looking at salads etc. But it is not the obvious this time. It has something to do with all year round veg. like leeks and kale,sprouts,and sprouting broccoli. But I would like a full list.
It could be something peculiar to do with the judging locally, so I may have to go and ask one of the judges. When I find out I will inform you what they are.
Regards
Rosemary
Just scanned through the National Vegetable Society 'Judges guide'. This guide is for vegetables and not allotments. There is nothing in it as to 'Seasonal Vegetables'. There are several categories for each veg all with their own marks. Scores are for individual veg or collections. It makes no reference to Seasonal veg scoring collectively.
I am assuming you mean local shows as opposed to 'national' shows.
At national level you can find some people that might be called ' semi-professional or professional and as such they often have the facilities to manipulate dates as to when produce will be at its peak, meaning the 'amateur' quite often doesn't stand a chance.
As one who has produced 'schedules' for local flower & veg shows I would say it all boils back to the area and date shows are being held. e.g. Spring / Summer/ Autumn
In other words; there is no point in putting something that is 'out of season' for that time of year in the schedule.
To cater for an anomaly such as this i.e. late/early crops, their is quite often a section for 'any' vegetable or flower that has not been covered elsewhere in the schedule.
Quote from: Tee Gee on January 06, 2007, 17:21:28
I am assuming you mean local shows as opposed to 'national' shows.
At national level you can find some people that might be called ' semi-professional or professional and as such they often have the facilities to manipulate dates as to when produce will be at its peak, meaning the 'amateur' quite often doesn't stand a chance.
The handbook is titled "NATIONAL VEGETABLE SOCIETY. JUDGES GUIDE".
So I don't reckon its just a local show marking guide. Maybe the Seasonal Veg is a locally produced competition / marking guide?
Thank you all for showing an interest, but this question relates to 'best kept allotment' competition that is run in the Calderdale area.
A number of things are taken into account such as :-
1 point for each sort of herb (up to 5 points)
1 point for soft fruit (up to 5 points)
Rubbish (or lack off) 5 points
Annual weeds 5 points
Perennial weeds 5 points
Compost 10 points ...... and so on
The whole thing makes 100 points, but I am not sure what they regard as 'seasonal'. I know they mean leeks and sprouts, and I think broccoli and kale, but I do not have the full list.
I will have to ask one of the judges when I see one.
Thanks for your help anyway.
Regards
Rosemary
It's a wimmin' thing innit?
Ask a question & after a load of helpful comment, they then give you the plot!
L.O.L. ;D ;D ;D :-X
'Seasonal' could be things fully grown for the current season. But also things partially grown for the following season or later - but are fine at the growing stage they are at for the time of year. Does that sound like what I mean to say or does it sound all goggly - de - gook. ::) I know what I mean ;)
Quote from: tim on December 28, 2006, 10:47:25
Funny - thought that all our vegetables in season were in season.
I'm missing something??
Allotmenters have longer 'seasons' too -
We eat babies like kaytee says (e.g. broadies in pods, baby globe artichokes, Spring Onions from autumn sown seed, baby carrots, beet and parsnip)
We can extend the 'fresh' season with successional sowing, greenhouses and hotboxes, sowing/planting earlier and later
Ditto with plants that stay in the ground over winter for long periods - leeks, parsnip, JAs, celeriac
Ditto with 'cut and come again' plants e.g. couve tronchuda, herbs, Oriental greens, spinach
Do these count?
Fresh from traditional storage e.g. onions, spuds, garlic, roots - clamped, strung etc. and stored
Ditto with home preserving of fresh storage e.g. passata, fruit, pickles, jams and chutneys
Those of us who went on the Barnsdale 'Veg all the Year Round' course a couple of months ago got a helpful list of 'Fresh Veg' and 'Veg from Store' for each month - a real eye-opener, far more than we realised, something to aim for ::)
Quote from: supersprout on January 07, 2007, 02:09:44
Those of us who went on the Barnsdale 'Veg all the Year Round' course a couple of months ago got a helpful list of 'Fresh Veg' and 'Veg from Store' for each month - a real eye-opener, far more than we realised, something to aim for ::)
Never heard of these type course thingys. What did it consist of, is it a national or local thing? What did you learn?
When you have time to look for relevant courses, it's surprising how much there is out there. I know RHS run some solo or with other agencies - the BBC2 series, for example, is running an Open Day with RHS at Hyde Hall, Chelmsford, with free advice, giveaway packs of seeds and so on, on Saturday 10 February. I think a number of growers - including the newly-found Plants with a Purpose - run sessions at their nurseries as a 'spin-off' to interested buyers. I think some local authorities also wade in with e.g. composting courses.
The Barnsdale courses were a lucky google - until 18 months ago, hadn't realised they were so close - or even connected to Saint Geoff :-[. I did a short report on the Gardening in Containers course from my notes (see http://www.allotments4all.co.uk/joomla/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,91/topic,22945.0) and often refer to the course notes in responses to 'How to's'.
What you get:
Full time with an expert, Nick H, restricted numbers so you can ask questions
Practical - theory session backed up with examples in the veg garden
Small groups - can answer each others' questions and find out answers to your own in the breaks!
Good company and fun - Cleo, prink and Olive Oil have met on two of the courses, and swopped seeds after :)
Cheap - morning courses £12.50, full day £35-ish
Cheaper - become a Friend of Barnsdale if you live locally, visit free anytime the garden is open, get discounts on courses.
Held at different times - they are experimenting with mornings/evenings, so there should be a time slot to suit you.
What can I say? Intensive and practical input which gave me a boost entering allotment life after a 7-year break! ;D
Like a picture speaks 1,000 words - the Barnsdale course
Now I can see where you are going Rosemary :o
I grow in the next burgh to you (Kirklees)
The rules in our area are;
First our secretary has to enter our plot on the judging list.
Didn't find this out until last summer and I have been there for 20years +
We have two sections Best plot & Best newcomer
Age does not matter I was well into my forties when I one the 'newcomer' award.
The secretary entered my plot unknown to me hence my reason for not knowing the rules in subsequent years.
The rules are quite simple; basically they are as you say points for this & that but basically it is genus varieties that are considered rather than varieties within a genus.
The judges in our area are quite experienced and as a general rule they give the plot a cursory look then they decide if it is worthwhile judging it for the awards.
We have found that if you have less than 20 genus on the go you are not considered choose how good your plot looks. Which I think is a bit unfair really when you consider most people grow for themselves not the judges (I know I do)
Another reason we do not enter is; if you win you and your plot are photographed and put in the local paper and you are presented with the trophy at the summer parks show. We do not want the publicity, the honour yes the publicity no!
Sadly we have found that in subsequent weeks/months some winning plots have been ransacked and this we don't need.
I hope this helps.
Thanks Tee Gee
I also did not know the rules until last year. We get 1/2 a point per genus up to 30 thus making 15% of our marks, but I still don't know the complete list of 'seasonal' veg. I did get get the 5% needed but I don't know what for ???
Regards
Rosemary