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General => The Shed => Topic started by: moonbeam on December 18, 2006, 08:03:20

Title: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: moonbeam on December 18, 2006, 08:03:20
Woke up this morning to find a heavy frost turned on the telly first headline which hit me
smack in the face M.R.S.A SUPERBUG.
We now have a more deadly version of this bug have the NHS not learned any lessons at all, they have been told time and time again the only way to beat this bug is keep everything clean.
I think its about time that they started a proper cleaning program in all hospitals and if they fail then prosecute the ones at the top instead of laying the blame at the feet of overworked nurses.
Everyone who visits hospitals should be made to wash there hands on entering and leaving and this should be strictly enforced.
Its high time the government put the money in place to see that every hospital can afford the best cleaning process possible.And stamp out this deadly super bug.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 18, 2006, 08:58:10
They privatised hospital cleaning, cut back on staff, and what do you expect? Honey kills it, probably propolis as well, but antibiotics only work for a time. When will they learn?
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: kt. on December 18, 2006, 09:27:57
Armed forces have the same problems with kit. Ask any of the top brass and they'll tell you all is hunky dory and there is no problems. They dont use the kit like we do if at all.  Ask any of us at the grass roots level and we'll tell you the truth. Its not what MPs want to believe and so have selective deafness. Totally opposite stories.

The man on the ground is the man in the know.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 18, 2006, 09:32:44
Exactly. If you want to know what happens in schools, ask the teachers and the kids, not OFSTED or the government. Same applies everywhere.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: tim on December 18, 2006, 10:34:42
Won't mention my Wife's comment on the 'cleaning' when She was in.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: billyish on December 18, 2006, 17:15:28
my mam was in the hospital about 8 weeks ago (tyne wear ) don't wont to name it because it mite but the fear of god into some one how has to go in at the entrance to all doors there is hand cleaner all visitors are asked to clean there hand and a lot do but the staff (doc ) as well i counted 10 staff come onto the ward and only 4 cleaned their hands so the the kill the bug campane needs to be repeated to the staff
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: louise stella on December 18, 2006, 17:27:45
Don't forget that these bugs can be carried on clothes!  So why aren't doctors and nurses forced to change into uniforms at work and have their clothes washed by the hospital at the right temperature to kill bugs and germs.  When my mum was in - one doctor came in to do his rounds still wearing bicycle clips from cycling to work ! - so how hygenic were his clothes then??

Louise
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: valmarg on December 18, 2006, 17:41:22
I'm sorry about the language, but OH nuts, in an emergency that is the hospital we would be sent to.  Two frightened OAPs who do not have private medical insurance.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: valmarg on December 18, 2006, 17:44:52
I did not say Oh nuts, I said Oh nuts.  Am I being censored???
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: valmarg on December 18, 2006, 17:46:30
I still didn't say Oh nuts, what I said was brown and comes out of the back end of any mammal!!
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: valmarg on December 18, 2006, 18:02:30
I've just been informed by my significant OH that I should have said excrement.  As Mr Shakespeare said, 'a rose by any name would smell as sweet'.  Well so would nuts.

I really find this very very weird!!

I cannot imagine that I would have caused much offence by using the word nuts.  I think you are in danger of going OTT PC.

What you are really missing the point on, is that in an emergency either of us would be sent to that hospital.  Wouldn't you be scared shitless it you thought you would be being sent to it.  It has a terrible record!!
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: valmarg on December 18, 2006, 18:26:21
The thing that I find really, really weird is that if I use the word 'nuts' it is substituted with the word 'nuts'????

Yet I can use the word shitless with impugnity.  If you lived in the North Staffs area, knowing that, if you were ill, that you would be sent to that hospital, wouldn't you be a bit concerned?

You used to go into hospital to be cured.  Nowadays, it seems you go in to be killed, or at least to come out worse than you went in!!
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: Hyacinth on December 18, 2006, 19:00:01
General cleanliness in hospitals......back in the summer saw a programme on the tele where Aggie & Kim - of 'How Clean is your House' went into a hospital for 3 months, I think.....one of the most sensible suggestions they came up with, which demonstrably worked,  after CCTV observations at the entrance to wards, was that of marking a line on the floor some feet short of the entrance, with Warning Signs & Hand-Disinfecting facilities prior to each entrance by an individual,  clearly labelled....although the general level of observance of this increased, it was notable that Doctors were most loth to comply.

And also, if I remember correctly?....it was the Doctors who raised the objection (and forbade) them from entering their Common Room to take swabs..
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: manicscousers on December 18, 2006, 19:04:00
when at the hospital lately, went to the ladies, 2 women in there didn't even clean their hands before leaving the toilet, what hope have the staff got when that happens ?
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: Merry Tiller on December 18, 2006, 19:30:41
My Ma-in-law was in Harefield for a bit of general maintenance on her ticker last year, one afternoon while visiting two young guys came round cleaning the ward and looked to be doing a reasonably good job of it, 20 minutes later 3, yes 3 middle aged women came round doing an inspection of the cleanliness of the place, making notes & debating various things. I wonder what that cost ME
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: moonbeam on December 18, 2006, 19:39:47
what about giving Aggie & Kim the position in Goverment so that they would be fully in charge of the way our hospitals are cleaned.
I bet they would soon knock everything into shape and probaly clean up Parliment at the same time.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: silly billy on December 18, 2006, 19:45:12
Quote from: moonbeam on December 18, 2006, 19:39:47
what about giving Aggie & Kim the position in Goverment so that they would be fully in charge of the way our hospitals are cleaned.
I bet they would soon knock everything into shape and probaly clean up Parliment at the same time.
Didnt one of them bury their stillborn baby in a public park?
The goverment didnt win a raffle they were voted in you gets what you pay for and in this case vote for.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: Carol on December 18, 2006, 19:49:48
I hope I never have to walk into a Hospital again for a 'procedure'.  Next time, if I go, I will ahve to be carried in.  Most folk I know who have been in for ops. come home with infections.  My friend had nasty pancreatitis (gallstones were the cause).  She came home with a carbunkle on her bum at the source of injections received in the Hosp.  It took District Nurses 6 weeks to clear it up with daily visits.  When she was in there I took her Septic wipes.  The Hospitals are mucky and if Joe Public can see that why doesnt the Managers.  We definately need Kym and Aggie go round them places, followed by Professor Hugh Pennington who knows all about the 'bugs'. 
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: valmarg on December 18, 2006, 22:00:35
This is what frightens me and significant OH, we live in the catchment area for the hospital that has been responsible for the two deaths!!  Would you want to be taken there????  I think not
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: gingerninja38 on December 18, 2006, 22:07:00
i was in 7 weeks ago having my baby and when i got to the post natal ward the base sheet on the bed was dirty i pointed it out to the nurse and she said just put the mat over it!!!!! ( mat is like an incontinence sheet to stop you bleeding on the mattress) i was not impressed and demanded new sheets. she wasn't happy, went away and got a clean one, she handed it to me and walked away. i had just had a 36 hour labour and about 40 stitches, otherwise i would have slapped her!! as it was 9pm i couldn't go home, discharged myself and my new baby at 9am the next morning... next baby will be a home birth ;D
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: manicscousers on December 19, 2006, 10:35:16
please, please, complain to the hospital management or the papers, my daughter is a nurse who is fanatical about cleaning, she works in intensive care and was appalled at what you went through, write to gmtv, get this hospital and nurse named and shamed, there is NO EXCUSE for this  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 19, 2006, 12:14:47
A good friend of mine had breast cancer a copuple of years ago, which was bad enough. Then she had to have everything rebuilt, then she got MRSA. She's only a shadow of her former self, and had to take early retirement.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: weedbusta on December 22, 2006, 18:03:34
i work in elderly residential care, everytime someone goes into Glasgow Royal Infirmary they come back out with MRSA. it's sickening.
Title: Re: things are getting out of hand.
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 22, 2006, 18:51:05
It's also unnecessary, as not only can basic hygeine prevent it, but untreated natural honey in a dressing kills it. If I ever get it (God forbid!), I'll discharge myself straight off and treat it at home.