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Title: Chilli Question
Post by: Biscombe on December 02, 2006, 20:05:28
HI all,
Does anyone know what variety chiils are used in indian curries?
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Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 02, 2006, 21:21:49
Any. A lot depends on how hot a curry you want, but there are numerous varieties grown in the subcontinent.
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Post by: Merry Tiller on December 03, 2006, 02:09:41
It's entirely up to who's cooking/eating the curry
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Post by: tim on December 03, 2006, 08:48:07
What you've got - then more or less!
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Post by: petuariapete on December 03, 2006, 11:33:38
Hi Biscombe,

If you like your curry hot then the Naga (which originates from India and Bangladesh) is the one which I believe is used in Indian curries. You can find details of the different types here...

http://tinyurl.com/ybcmll (http://tinyurl.com/ybcmll)

The Dorset Naga is reputedly the world's hottest chilli and is often advertised  and sold on eBay at prices over 50p per seed, and it comes with a health warning!

PP
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Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 03, 2006, 13:53:16
This seems to be the plce to get them. http://www.peppersbypost.biz/ .
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Post by: Biscombe on December 03, 2006, 15:38:15
Thanks you all!! ;D
I grow a few varieties of chilli each year and wondered if there was a special type for indian cooking! the indian supermarkets sell a small plump green type that dosent blow your head off and has a lovely taste? any ideas, I've also seen the very long thin green chillis that look a bit scary!!! ;)
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Post by: Hyacinth on December 03, 2006, 16:46:52
I can't give you a name for that sort of green plump chilli, but all my local Asian greengrocers sell a green chilli identical to ones sold at the supermarkets round about....where they're merely labelled 'Product of Kenya'.....Kenya produces quite a few chillies, so not a lot of use I know :-\

However, let me bang the drum (again?) for Apache....nice plump green (before they turn red!) chillis, lovely flavour, doesn't blow your head off.  Cleo recommended them to me.
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Post by: tim on December 03, 2006, 17:31:49
A challenge - make it with first one, then another chilli. Tell me the difference in taste.

Assuming a 'hot' chilli type, heat depends entirely on quantity?
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Post by: Curryandchips on December 03, 2006, 18:00:08
Glad to hear someone mentioning the 'taste' of chillies. Although I am one of those blessed souls who can cope with the heat of most types of chillies, it is the taste which makes them enjoyable - otherwise I would be satisfied with chillipowder. As an aside, it is possible to temper the heat of chillies by adding sugar - and I have been assured by an asian friend that certain dairy products - eg yoghurt - have the same effect. Makes sense to me anyway. I always smile when I see someone try to dowse the heat of chillies by glugging lager ... a case of Greek fire?
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Post by: Biscombe on December 03, 2006, 18:10:20
Good point Tim, but all the chillis I've grown have a different taste when you get through the heat barrier!! ;)
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Post by: Hyacinth on December 03, 2006, 18:15:59
taste/heat.....taste/heat...old discussions being rehashed...

My contention is that there IS a taste.......a quality that's completely apart from the heat.....and, dammit, I LIKE the taste of Apache ;D ;D ;D

Recently I've heard on progs on Radio4 that the main heat is not contained in the seeds (as I'd always thought) but in the white membrane which attaches the seeds to the chilli? Dunno, not done a control.

But generally, yes,  I agree with Curry (and that's gotta be a 1st :P)....if I want 'heat' then chilli powder, etc.......why not?

But for taste......ahhhh.......APACHE, APACHE, APACHE all the way 8)

(once more........thanks Steph!)
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Post by: Toadspawn on December 03, 2006, 18:27:42
I thought it was the combination of different spices which gave curries their strength and flavour rather than using one particular variety of chilli pepper.
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Post by: Curryandchips on December 03, 2006, 18:35:30
I feel I agree with you on flavour (in the broadest sense), but chillies are primarily responsible for the actual heat ... ?
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Post by: tim on December 03, 2006, 18:48:47
Love it!!
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Post by: Biscombe on December 03, 2006, 19:36:29
ok ok ok its got to be Apache!!!
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Post by: tim on December 03, 2006, 19:55:04
Can't change from Jalapeno - got at least another year's supply!1
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Post by: Hyacinth on December 03, 2006, 21:14:26
I don't think for a moment I'd be able to differentiate taste in a curry...but I use chillis even in breakfast scrambled eggs....and taste matters! lol
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Post by: Curryandchips on December 03, 2006, 21:15:40
Quote from: tim on December 03, 2006, 19:55:04
Can't change from Jalapeno - got at least another year's supply!1
Just the opposite here, down to about my last two dozen frozen chillies, then it will be down to the market ... not shopped there in years actually  :-\
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Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 03, 2006, 21:34:54
Chilis aren't the only 'hot' ingredient in a curry (you can make them pretty hot with black pepper), but they are the main one. The vital spices are chili, black pepper, cardamom seeds, cumin, cinnamon, cloves and green cardamoms. I use loads of others as well, since the important thing is to make it tasty rather than just hot.
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Post by: Mrs Ava on December 03, 2006, 22:02:08
I'm another one who will happily big up Apache!  I think Stephan was responsible for leading me astray also!!  I find some chillis have a fabulous citrus twang about them when they are still green, and are merely warming.  Then some, when fully ripe, can be incredibly sweet and savoury all at once.  I love chillis and can and will munch them whole, so long as they are not head explodingly hot!  However, HOTHOTHOT in a chilli con carne or chicken fahitas please.

And always have a glass of milk so neutralise the capsicum heat!

Interesting aside: http://ushotstuff.com/Heat.Scale.htm
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Post by: Barnowl on December 04, 2006, 11:13:21
My Apache was given the chop 3 weeks ago and promoted from the garden to the windowsill - it's already making a comeback.

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Post by: Merry Tiller on December 04, 2006, 14:25:08
QuoteThe vital spices are chili, black pepper, cardamom seeds, cumin, cinnamon, cloves and green cardamoms

Ginger also produces heat when used in combination with other spices. At the end of the day  it's not about heat (unless your a 19 year old lad, showing off to your mates after a few pints), it's all about flavours, proper Indian food varies from totally bland to red hot but is truly the flavours that count.

I guess I'm lucky in that Indian food beats any other for me and my bro-in-law is half Indian and has passed on many family recipes + tips, and what a superb cook he is, most of the stuff he makes you'll never see inside an Indian restaurant, I can't understand why, it's sublime ;D
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Post by: Curryandchips on December 04, 2006, 14:28:05
Quote from: Merry Tiller on December 04, 2006, 14:25:08
I guess I'm lucky in that Indian food beats any other for me and my bro-in-law is half Indian and has passed on many family recipes + tips, and what a superb cook he is, most of the stuff he makes you'll never see inside an Indian restaurant, I can't understand why, it's sublime ;D

I think this is one of those rare occasions when I will confess to being envious ...
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Post by: cleo on December 04, 2006, 17:42:33
Appache?-now how silly of me not to have gotten a contract? A dwarf with just the right balance of heat and flavour.

It`s all a matter of personal taste really isn`t it? I quite like Joe`s Long Cayenne-great big long things that need to be ripe but once they are, to me,  are nicely warm with a bit of flavour.

I still grow the odd `super hot` Fatalie was my test this year-yellow and hot and very hardy-one plant is still alive and well in the polytunnel
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Post by: Barnowl on December 04, 2006, 17:50:09
My favourite this year was Espanola - large mildly hot and fruity. Gives a nice balance to some of the hotter and drier ones.
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Post by: Barnowl on December 04, 2006, 18:10:19
Forgot to answer the question about Indian Chillies.

Looking at Indian wholesale sites there really is an enormous variety.
Check out this site...

http://www.indianspices.com/html/s06231ch.htm (http://www.indianspices.com/html/s06231ch.htm)

...there's more than one page if you use the 'select a chilli' and 'Go' option
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Post by: Robert_Brenchley on December 04, 2006, 19:23:55
India's a big place with lots of different climates and, I suspect, none of the silly regulation of seed varieties we have to endure here.
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Post by: redimp on December 04, 2006, 22:14:19
Indian food didn't use chilis at all until they were imported from the Americas by the Portugese.  Until then, black pepper was the heat giving ingredient but chilis proved easier and cheaper to grow so took over from black pepper.
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Post by: dandelion on December 04, 2006, 22:14:58
Any recommendations for a mild-ish thick skinned chilli?
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Post by: Barnowl on December 05, 2006, 14:35:19
The classic used in Pizza toppings is Jalapeno. There are some early cropping varieties as well as the normal.   Georgia Flame, recommended by Monty Don (after I'd bought it  ;D ) is bigger and milder and quite thick skinned - not a dwarf, it needs as much space as a tomato plant to get a worthwhile crop.
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Post by: Merry Tiller on December 05, 2006, 22:34:28
QuoteThe classic used in Pizza toppings is Jalapeno

Chili on a pizza :o  don't tell Rick Stein