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Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: pigeonseed on November 19, 2006, 20:16:50

Title: spinach in winter?
Post by: pigeonseed on November 19, 2006, 20:16:50
Someone told me you could sow spinach in autumn - is that right?

I'm in London so it is fairly mild. In fact, i can't grow it in summer as my soil is too well drained and our summers hot and dry - it doesnt even live long enough to bolt!.

shall i sow some? or leave it till an early sowing next year, to beat the summer heat?

Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: Merry Tiller on November 19, 2006, 21:31:02
A bit late now really
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: supersprout on November 19, 2006, 22:09:33
Agree with MT for outdoors, but maybe as baby leaf under glass?
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: pigeonseed on November 20, 2006, 13:36:36
well i have got one of those little plastic greenhouses, so i will give it a go. it'sliterally green though, so low light might be a problem. we'll see.

how late and how early would you say i could plant outdoors, for future reference?
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: supersprout on November 20, 2006, 13:46:20
I reckon best spinach is sown in Sept/early Oct for nice greens in winter and they don't BOLT :)
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: dandelion on November 20, 2006, 13:53:48
I'm in London too and I sowed some in September and it looks a mess now :( : all sluggy and sad. Then again, the summer stuff bolted in record time >:(! This variety is called 'all the year round'  ::)
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: Barnowl on November 20, 2006, 14:19:20
How about joining the late, late carrot planting experiment? My Early Nantes were sown yesterday under a mesh tunnel.

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Mind you, looking at the weather forecast, I think optimistic might be an understatement despite being in toasty warm London.
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: supersprout on November 20, 2006, 15:30:04
Quote from: dandelion on November 20, 2006, 13:53:48
This variety is called 'all the year round'  ::)

If you look carefully on the seed packet above 'all the year round' does it say 'guaranteed to disappoint ...' ;)
I grow Matador spinach over winter, lovely red slender rib, jaggy leaves, tough as old boots (personality) long lasting, sweet and tender (eating)  :)
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: saddad on November 20, 2006, 17:14:11
I grow Leaf beet or Perpetual Spinach.... it will grow right through most winters and hardly ever bolts!
:)
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: Melbourne12 on November 20, 2006, 19:40:24
Quote from: pigeonseed on November 20, 2006, 13:36:36
well i have got one of those little plastic greenhouses, so i will give it a go. it'sliterally green though, so low light might be a problem. we'll see.
...

I think you'll be in with a chance.  Having lost most of my autumn spinach to the birds, I sowed some more in a growbag in a plastic greenhouse, just over a week ago.  They're just beginning to sprout, and as soon as they get to a reasonable size I shall try planting them out. 
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: Truffle on November 21, 2006, 08:23:15
I’m with Saddad on this… sown perpetual spinach in early summer and its still going strong, not even a hint of bolting. Although, I did have to go through a few varieties before we found a really tasty one….

Truff
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: Barnowl on November 21, 2006, 10:31:31
We're in south London on light soil and also had no problem with perpetual spinach which is still going.

Cavolo Nero does well too - i.e. didn't bolt this summer (although I think it might be a kale not a spinach and I'm not sure how hardy it is).

If you can get your spinach to germinate why not give it a go?
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: pigeonseed on November 21, 2006, 12:12:40
I do like perpetual spinach/chards.

I have a massive slug problem at the allotment though (strangely not in the garden) and things I can train up poles like beans, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash - they're ok, as I can keep them off the ground. But the little leaf beats never make it very far.

maybe i should try somekind of very very raised bed, in the hope fewer slugs and snails will make the journey.
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: Barnowl on November 21, 2006, 12:15:29
We've put copper tape round some of our raised beds which seems to help (provided they're not in there already!)
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: pigeonseed on November 21, 2006, 12:25:52
my mum swears by copper wire but obviously you can't put it round every spinach seedling, so yes a raised bed sounds like the thing.

in practical terms though, what am i going to make it out of... ? I see lovely sturdy ones in the allotments, all made of offcuts of wood and neatly put together. i never get myact together enough to do that.

actually I've got some big plastic crates - maybe I could use them.
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: kt. on December 06, 2006, 21:55:16
Sorry but Spinach has to be the most horrible tasting veg... Yuk :P
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: pigeonseed on December 07, 2006, 13:43:08
i quite like spinach. it's one of those few veg that tastes better when cooked for ages - like indian-style spinach.

but for light cooking i agree leaf beat and swiss chard are much tastier.
Title: Re: spinach in winter?
Post by: cornykev on December 07, 2006, 16:52:44
 ;) I'm with KT not my cup of tea, I'm also from London but the posher part
North London, spinach just appeared late summer on the plot I never even planted any typical never anything you like appears like some nice juicy strawberrys, I think february is the correct time to plant it.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :-*