As most of those who know me will testify I am a fairly phlegmatic type. I don't get really excited about many things and am reckoned to be a tolerant type. BUT (there is always a BUT! isn't there?) why do people answer queries and merely repeat the same thing as I have just said? Not on here but elsewhere I answered a question, checking my facts before posting. I returned to the site a few minutes ago to see another dozen or so responses. I read them and NOT ONE said anything new or different to that which I wrote. Now I do not expect a response from the original poster either (though good manners should mean an acknowledgement, but what the heck!), but to find the someone who merely copied what I had written gets effusive praise for their answer is a little annoying to say the least.
Rant over. Back to watching the rain and painting the shed!
I get a little annoyed when a poster asks a question and you respond in depth and the post drops off the bottom of the page without a kiss my cheek. :P
I now tend to keep em brief, as it happens often. 8)
Yes Eric, when I was in my first job after being an apprentice, the chargehand told me a very important tip - always say thank you, even if you feel it is not warranted. I feel it is simple courtesy to acknowledge the time and effort that someone has given, since they are under no obligation.
So ... thank you for raising that point :)
Roy, yes, to give what is sometimes a researched answer and then get no response is offputting to say the least ...
On the subject of rants, I nearly posted to rant about the amount of off topic threads appearing on this forum, then I realised I was reading the wrong boards !!!
Palustris, I agree entirely, I sometimes wonder what's the point but I have an idea that it comes about when a newish gardener feels that they actually know the answer to someones question, they just can't help themselves, even if someone else has already answered the question in full
Palustris, I agree entirely, I sometimes wonder what's the point but I have an idea that it comes about when a newish gardener feels that they actually know the answer to someones question, they just can't help themselves, even if someone else has already answered the question in full
Sorry Eric - just had to do it ;D
::)
If you're uncertain, and two people reply with the same answer, it is at least reassuring that the first person isn't just shooting their mouth off. The second person might have a bit of detail to add as well.
Yes, I tend to agree with Robert here. It can be tedious reading through a heap of replies which all say much the same thing but, on the other hand, if 10 replies offer the same advice, then I figure it's likely to be GOOD advice! On the other hand, if there are 10 different replies (because nobody wanted to reiterate what has already been said), then how is the inexperienced gardener going to decide which one to follow?
"Can you divide that carnation, I want 2" was the question I was asked.
My reply was "no, not possible, they grow from one root. Can try to propogate from new growth for you tho"
This answer didn't satisfy the lady cos it wasn't the one she wanted to hear
To date she has asked me again....and again...and again...
She has asked her next door neighbour
She has asked the neighbour over the road
She has asked the husband of her sister
She has asked a friend
She has asked her Social Worker
She has asked the man who cuts the grass for someone in the Close and who is a great fuschia grower
And Lord only knows who else.
She's not going to be satisfied until someone tells her that, yes, a single carnation plant can be divided.
And then....Heaven help me.....she's gonna insist that I do it ;D
If you agree with what has been said then why not say 'I agree' and add something else if necessary. That way you can have your ten answers without having to wade through repetative stuff.
Lish, I have been there before, there is nothing you can do but wait until Fred down the roads Uncle Jim's drinking friends' binman says it can be done.
QuoteIf you're uncertain, and two people reply with the same answer, it is at least reassuring that the first person isn't just shooting their mouth off. The second person might have a bit of detail to add as well.
QuoteYes, I tend to agree with Robert here. It can be tedious reading through a heap of replies which all say much the same thing but, on the other hand, if 10 replies offer the same advice, then I figure it's likely to be GOOD advice! On the other hand, if there are 10 different replies (because nobody wanted to reiterate what has already been said), then how is the inexperienced gardener going to decide which one to follow?
See ::)
Eric,........I agree.
Whole-heartedly ;D ;D ;D
It'd get a bit quiet though....wouldn't it?
Ah thanks, I think I get it now - it's OK to repeat myself by cutting & pasting the thing I'm arguing with and then saying "see", but it's not OK to repeat someone else's view by agreeing with it in my own way? Hm, seems like we're getting into all kinds of trouble by trying to lay down the law about what other people can or can't say (and isn't that Dan's prerogative anyway?).
Er, I don't think I was saying that I want to control what people post,certainly that was not my intention. All I think I said was that I find it a little annoying when people get thanked for repeating that which I had already written. Otherwise I don't give a monkey's what people write.
i get a bit irritated by posts that just quote a previous post; if it's woth posting at all, it's worth putting ti in your own words, even if you're just agreeing with them.
With great respect, Tim, and going Off-topic to Eric's essential statement, I don't see that the age, gender or location of a poster has relevance to the weight given to a poster's opinion?
(unless we know they're from Oop North, then allowances will be made...
or from Wales
or Scotland
or....or....or....anywhere not Brum, the Capital of Right-Thinking People, of Penshnable age and Female cos we're doubly always right)
;D ;D ;D
And picking up on the off topic topic, and still proferring great respect, how is one 'doubly right'? My male brain is struggling with that one ... ;)
Keep struggling, Derek.
:o :o :o Ooooh LIshka,
you little mixer ;D
I'm going to send you a wooden spoon and a mixing bowl ;D ;D ;D
You're really going for it , off topic and rattling the Whole of the UK's cage ;D ;D ;D
(Except Brum)
What is Brum short for? I honoustly don't Know
Quote from: scotch-mist on May 27, 2006, 23:52:30
What is Brum short for? I honoustly don't Know
Birmigum ;D Nah! dunno really ;D This link might help ;D
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/GenerateContent?CONTENT_ITEM_ID=42225&CONTENT_ITEM_TYPE=0&MENU_ID=13150
Brummagem, Sprottie, as below:-
On the 'Phrase Finder' page for 'Brummagem Screwdriver' it states that:
(http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/58900.html)
"'Brummagem' is a slang version of 'Birmingham', which is a version of 'Bromwicham', itself a version of 'Brimidgeham', the old name for Birmingham. The Bromwicham form persists in the name of the town to the west of Birmingham - West Bromwich. "
.....................................................
Actually, going as far back as 1086, the Domesday form of this name is 'Bermingha.', so Brimidgeham is not the older name for Birmingham.
The origins of the name are, in fact, Anglo-Saxon, ie pre-Domesday, and mean: the homestead (ham) of the people (ingas) of Beorma.
Beorma's inga's ham = Birmingham.
The form 'Brummagem' (there are actually many, many variants) evolved as a result of pronunciation. The 'r' and the vowel towards the beginning of the word have changed places, and the hard 'g' towards the end, has softened. There is a record of the spelling 'Brumingeham' in 1189, I believe.
Brummagem is not a 'slang' word for Birmingham, it is an alternative version of the name - as are the other variants mentioned. 'Brummagem' became the name used by the locals.
However, the unfortunate association between the name 'Brummagem' and some counterfeit goods produced by a few unscrupulous Brummies, resulted in the word 'brummagem' actually being given the dictionary meaning: 'counterfeit'. This led the likes of local industrialist, Matthew Boulton, to use the term 'Birmingham' for his products. The form 'Birmingham' became more socially acceptable in these circumstances.
'Brummagem' is an evolved, form of 'Birmingham'. It is neither more correct nor more incorrect than 'Birmingham'; it is not earlier than 'Birmingham'; it is not slang for Birmingham; and it may not be anything to do with 'West Bromwich'.
Is that clear enough? ;) ;D ;D ;D
back on topic....
I like it when some body else confirms some ones advice and shares their experience as well, why not? this is what we are all here for isn't it - sharing our experiences..... If every post got just one complete reply it would be a Q & A board and not a discussion forum!
Is worse when some one disagrees with someones advice, then the originator is left totally baffled with conflicting advice.
Quote from: daisymay on May 29, 2006, 09:12:31
I like it when some body else confirms some ones advice and shares their experience as well, why not? this is what we are all here for isn't it - sharing our experiences.....
I agree, whole heartedly.
My original comment was not about people sharing experiences and adding worthwhile comments to postings, it was about posting EXACTLY the same advice and ADDING nothing new to the discussion and then being thanked for it while the original poster is ignored!
Mind it also annoys me when people hijack postings and go wandering off thread instead of starting their own discussions! ;D ;D ;D :P
Believe it or not someone has just been and gone and done it again!!!! I posted a good snappy answer to a problem and 2 minutes later someone posts exactly the same as I did. WHY?
And with all due respect to Tim, some of your responses to this are as much off topic as others. ;D ;D ;D (just so as you don't go getting annoyed with me).
I think Tim must have hoovered. I love a good spat I do. Don't get those over the other site. We all just get on far too well. Have to come back here to observe the odd ding dong. Strange really, what with all the troublemakers gone. ;)
At the end of the day does it matter so much .. I have been writing a thread and posted it to find that since i started writing it someone had put the very nearly same answer as me ..As long as the person asking the question gets a good answer whether in duplicate or triplicate ..That is what matters surely // Tolerance costs nowt ..But then again I may not understand the plot as I am from OOP NORTH... :) where tolerance abounds ... Cheers.. Jim
Lot of good common sense from Oop North, too, Jim. :)
I never said that it mattered, it just annoys a bit that's all. And I am from the north of England too, so there nerrrrrr! sniff!! :P
;D ;D ;D
ffs......................
I'm from oop north too and I have the tollerance of Grizzly Bear with toothache :-*
Some have noticed ;D ... ..cheers Jim...
Don't know if there are any crossword addicts out there, but one super site is
www.answerbank.co.uk
We all get terribly miffed if people don't say thanks, which they invariably don't. i do find it very odd, its a little word and means a great deal!
CLx
Quote from: redclanger on May 29, 2006, 14:09:07
I think Tim must have hoovered. I love a good spat I do. Don't get those over the other site. We all just get on far too well. Have to come back here to observe the odd ding dong. Strange really, what with all the troublemakers gone. ;)
Well not quite RC we still have you and for how long Dan can put up with it who knows? you appear to be hell bent on causing upset here and "you" being a school teacher! well, who's teaching who? you appear to me to be acting like a child. Why not go back to the "other side" and tell them how well you have disrupted the site that spanked your bottom. ;)
P.S. Sorry for going off topic...well not really ;D
;D
Quote from: Roy Bham UK on May 30, 2006, 00:13:04
Quote from: redclanger on May 29, 2006, 14:09:07
I think Tim must have hoovered. I love a good spat I do. Don't get those over the other site. We all just get on far too well. Have to come back here to observe the odd ding dong. Strange really, what with all the troublemakers gone. ;)
Well not quite RC we still have you and for how long Dan can put up with it who knows? you appear to be hell bent on causing upset here and "you" being a school teacher! well, who's teaching who? you appear to me to be acting like a child. Why not go back to the "other side" and tell them how well you have disrupted the site that spanked your bottom. ;)
P.S. Sorry for going off topic...well not really ;D
Quote from: Palustris on May 25, 2006, 13:06:20
Er, I don't think I was saying that I want to control what people post,certainly that was not my intention. All I think I said was that I find it a little annoying when people get thanked for repeating that which I had already written. Otherwise I don't give a monkey's what people write.
Ah, you mean
plageurism plagiorism plagieurism plagarism* attributing another's original work to oneself, intellectual theft and general villany. Shocking, brass-necked, un-gentlemany/un-ladylike, non-cricket or even non-tickety-boo behavior which also gets me riled. :(
* I'm sure one of these is correct...
CLANGER!!!!!!!
stand in the corner with the pointy white hat marked with a 'd' on it!
tsk!
right-anymore of this and i am going to give kofi annan a ring.
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Quote from: redclanger on May 29, 2006, 14:09:07
I think Tim must have hoovered. I love a good spat I do. Don't get those over the other site. We all just get on far too well. Have to come back here to observe the odd ding dong. Strange really, what with all the troublemakers gone. ;)
It looks like Tim has as well, he hasn't been back since.
I do hope Tim has not left us. Please someone tell us he hasn't. Folk get sick to death of snide comments, its totally unnecessary. Tim is a valued member of A4A and his input into this site is of more value than some 'others'. I am too polite to put in another word.
I am watching anxiously for news on Tim too Carol, as probably are many of the members. As to snide comments, I have had more than my fair share as you well know. The culprits are nothing more than trolls really. The ignore button is a really useful tool.