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Produce => Edible Plants => Topic started by: gunnerbee on January 28, 2006, 01:33:07

Title: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: gunnerbee on January 28, 2006, 01:33:07
Sorry to be a dafty, but does this mean the cooked texture of the spud??? and how do you destinguish?
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: spacehopper on January 28, 2006, 08:34:13
I think it's the cooked texture. I remember my mum berating a tato called 'Sharpes Express' for being too floury and falling apart when it was boiled! Salad potatoes tend to be waxy and keep their shape well when boiled. I think the texture is determined by water content in the tato, with waxier tatos having higher water content. Some people say that the floury varieties have a better flavour, I've not eaten enough different varieties to comment on that!
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: tim on January 28, 2006, 09:15:27
As always, I think that Leith is as helpful as any on usage.  Her (most common) waxy ones are:

Arran Pilot/Charlotte/Desirée/Estima/Maris Bard/Pentland Javelin/Pink Fir/Romano/Ulster Sceptre.

Us? Apart from salad potatoes, we use what's there & have no complaints. For home use, I think that one can be a little over-fussy?
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: agapanthus on January 28, 2006, 10:29:51
If you put very floury potatoes in cold water then gradually bring them to the boil and cook them on a very low heat this does help them not fall apart too much. I did this with the Kerr's Pink that I grew last year.
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: stuffed on January 28, 2006, 10:37:45
It is another one of those personal preferance things, I prefer floury ones for roasting because they are fluffier
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: tim on January 28, 2006, 11:10:19
Yes - strange that Pru should include Desirée & Maris Piper?
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: jennym on January 28, 2006, 11:56:34
Got taught a bit about the cell structure of different potatoes at college, most of which isn't relevant really, but there is a reasonably straightforward BBC link here which goes some way to explaining it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/tv_and_radio/fullonfood_potato.shtml
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: Curryandchips on January 28, 2006, 12:38:26
What a fascinating article, I had never considered making mash with waxy potatoes (other than in desperation). There is hope yet then for one of my favourite varieties - pink fir apple. It is already my favourite salad potato, and makes tasty roasts and impressive chips.
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: agapanthus on January 28, 2006, 13:51:10
Waxy potatoes make lovely 'crush'...just crush with a fork and add a generous quantity of butter and pepper ;D
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: tim on January 28, 2006, 16:10:17
Fascinating, Jenny.

Of course, many of us have only ever had our own mash, so we don't know any better?
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: spacehopper on January 28, 2006, 18:06:18
Great link jenny, very interesting.
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: real food on January 28, 2006, 18:43:18
You should NEVER BOIL potatoes!!!!! You throw away the flavour and the vitamins with the water.  Microwave them in a covered container and you keep the flavour. You can even taste the difference between the different varieties of potato. And the texture is much better. Trust me and try it for yourself!!!
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: grotbag on January 28, 2006, 19:54:27
HI, if microwaving do you add water and how long in micro
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: tim on January 28, 2006, 19:56:15
Good thinking, foody - but try doing that in our m/wave for a typical 10-14??

But will try one day when we're on our own!!
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: real food on January 28, 2006, 22:46:12
The container must be covered. I do not add any water but the books suggest 2 or 3 tablespoons of water. Wash the potatoes and cut into similar egg sized pieces. Enough potatoes for three people take about 8 minutes to cook in a 850 watt microwave.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: tim on January 29, 2006, 09:58:39
Noted!
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: gunnerbee on January 29, 2006, 19:49:58
i personally dont do microwaves for veg, im a steamaholic !!!!
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: grawrc on January 29, 2006, 22:41:21
Me too.
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: real food on January 29, 2006, 23:11:40
Well, at least you do not boil potatoes!! But just think of all the time you could save if you microwaved the potatoes.
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: tim on January 30, 2006, 10:43:22
Steaming? YES! Nice concentrated veg stock, too.

But not for cabbage!
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: djbrenton on January 30, 2006, 12:36:25
Gordon Ramsay sometimes uses Pink Fir or Ratte for mash. He boils them in the skin, leaves them to cool a bit then pulls the skin off. Through a potato ricer then back into a pan with milk and butter till it's hot and creamy. I tried it but found it a bit gloopy for my taste. His choice of potato and method is in order to have a really low water content.
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: Curryandchips on January 30, 2006, 13:18:10
Gloopy? The transition from a stiff or solid mixture through to a very liquid one is rather sudden, perhaps try repeating but adding your milk very slowly until the right consistency is achieved? I will certainly try this method, and I will cook the potatoes using Tim's suggestion of a microwave, so as to retain the flavour and goodness.
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: grawrc on January 30, 2006, 18:27:13
Tim I agree about the cabbage! I like mine shredded and fried in olive oil or butter with garlic, onion and bits of bacon. Oh drat I'm off topic aren't I? :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Floury or waxy what does this mean????
Post by: tim on January 30, 2006, 18:37:55
Not me, Curry - real food's. I do do it for panic-'baked',  but may try mr/mrs/ms's method.