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I came across the deer on the bicycle trail, and I was pretty close for some decent shots, but by the time I'd got me camera out this was all I got.
Still! It was nice to see them.
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Those are roe deer.

Last time I tried to photograph roe deer all I got were specks in the distance as they bounded away soooo fast!! Great shot Glyn.  ;D

Quotethey bounded away

Thats what they did here-I just got lucky.
Nice to see you here again Eileen.
Do show us your (Holland trip) photos?

Glyn.  That is one fantastic photo, absolutely lovely. Thank you. Lorna.

Glyn that is a great picture, thank you for showing it. ;D :D

wow - Great photo !  Roe deer in full action  :o
Beautiful and thanks for sharing.
;D

Hiya,

photo is very nice -  :)

lucky you G
fab shot

Quote from: Robert_Brenchley on September 15, 2005, 22:53:01
Those are roe deer.

Assuming Glyn took the picture near his home then I believe that these are whitetail deer (Odocoileus virginianus) not roe deer (Capreolus capreolus). If roe deer have ever been introduced into North America they are not hardy enough to deal with the climate here and have consequently failed to establish. With the extermination of practically all their natural predators whitetail deer are now present in almost plague numbers throughout this continent.

QuoteI believe that these are whitetail deer

Correct John- they are "Whitetail Deer" not "Roe Deer"
You get a "Blue Peter Badge"

I hadn't realised you live in the States.

QuoteI hadn't realised you live in the States

Actually John Miller live's in the States, and I in Southern Ontario, Canada.

Quote from: Glyn on September 21, 2005, 14:23:38

QuoteI believe that these are whitetail deer

Correct John- they are "Whitetail Deer" not "Roe Deer"
You get a "Blue Peter Badge"

;D ;D ;D ;D

Just send money, preferably U.S. $ not Canadian.

QuoteJust send money, preferably U.S. $ not Canadian.

TYPICAL...... ;D

This is a "general" inquiry about British deer, but a great pic of N.American W.T Deer above!

A bit late in the year as it may seem (October), I was camping with friends over last weekend in Wales (in the coed y brenin near Dolgellau) when we heard quite loud "vocal" noises from the valley below around 7.30 in the morning. We weren't up soon enough to see the animal responsible.

One friend said that it was definitely the sound of a deer "barking". Now my question is: could these noises be an indication for which species of deer this was? There are definitely no Red Deer in the coed y brenin. I have seen deer at night on other occasions, but not clearly to identify. Some say there maybe Fallow Deer in the forest, but there almost certainly are Roe deer present aswell.

Between Fallow & Roe, is it only the Roe deer that "barks"?

Anyone know?

Both roe and muntjac bark.

Thanks for reply Robert. I hadn't thought of Muntjac being present aswell. The "barking" I heard was quite loud, so think this more likely from Roe than the other (although both small species - Muntjac are quite tiny arn't they?). I'll be back in the coed y brenin again soon, so hope to continue investigations!!!

Muntjac are pretty small and sort of hunchbacked, it's a different profile. I wish I could find my mammal book, it's around somewhere.

I've found a bit more out about the Muntjac from Google:

Muntjac Deer, Shoulder height 45-48cm.     The smallest British deer. Generally silent but utters sharp bark if alarmed.
at:   
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/encyclopaedia/wildlife/mammals_muntjac_deer.html

They would be fallow deer (Darma darma) bucks preparing for the rut. Roe and Reeves Muntjac are very uncommon in Wales.

PS I'm a professional deer manager in Wales. :)

Thanks for this info Sketty. As I mentioned eariler, I've only made night time observations of deer in the coed y brenin (seeing vague outlines of deer with their "green" eyes illuminated by my headtorch only). I have heard that fallow deer are present there. Do you know much about deer in this forest? It is an "ancient" forest, so presume fallow must've been introduced there long ago.

Fallow were probably re-introducted by the Romans and then again by the Normans for sport. Although introduced into open "chases" in Southern England. They 'wild' populations in Wales are the result of escapes from deer parks. These feral fallow deer can now be considered truly wild and indigenous.
All the escapes have taken place within the last 200 - 250 years.

Is this what you wanted to know? If not, please ask. :)

Yes! Thanks again. I will be returning to the Coed y Brenin Forest next month for another short visit. Hope to come in contact with more of the wildlife there again. Will report anything I think may be of iinterest.