sorry to be all political but i think Geldof has just gone too far. hie Ego is bigger than Africa itself! these demonstrations have already gone too far. people going to Edinburgh and in fact the whole of Scotland, breaking windows, causing general havoc. Then they shut down motorways by putting branches on the lanes, chained themselves to cars!!!
Just to top it off, they go over the barriers, causing injury to the police and many others. Riot police had to be flown in specially to keep the crowd back. Pictures on the news showed the police almost powerless, they should be able to do more. the ones chaained to cars they should just leave, let em starve, they will soon give in.
He's gone mad, he was told it would have allsorts of problems, but he encouraged it!!! wonder what Bob was upto? maybe sat in his million pound hoe in Chelsea?!?
All these problems arnt going to help. All it does is cause problems for those in Scotland, those who are meant to let the thugs sleep in their house!!
Wonder what Bob would have done if it was in Chelsea!!?!! Maybe rather than going on an ego-trip Bob and Bono should dig their hands in their own pockets. U2 have just done a Satdium tour, 100,000 people a gig each paying £50. wonder how much of that went to water aid?
Bob may have encouraged people to go along to Edinburgh but he isn't responsible for the way in which people decide to act out their feelings.
Why do people choose to focus in on the negative after all of the positive things he has done? Sheesh.
If protestors want to act like morons, it's hardly his fault.
Quote from: Yellow Petals on July 06, 2005, 18:40:39
Bob may have encouraged people to go along to Edinburgh but he isn't responsible for the way in which people decide to act out their feelings.Â
He encouraged people to go, even though he was told and many others were told it would bring lots of trouble to the city
Other people's behaviour is still not his responsibility though is it?
Quote from: Yellow Petals on July 06, 2005, 19:49:45
Other people's behaviour is still not his responsibility though is it?Â
Yes i understand that thewre will always be some people who will go out of their way to cause trouble, but wasnt Bob simply organising chaos?? asking a million people to go to edinburugh, mid week in the height of summer, was going to far! and he was warned. he didnt think about those who live in Edinburugh did he? none of them wanted it.
I dont usually get involved in this sort of thread but am getting a little sick of people slagging off Bono and U2. If you take some time to look back at the band's career, going back to the late 1970s, they have always been heavily involved in campaigning and charitable causes. Bono does a lot of work that is not reported on, for a wide range of organisations. The band have an underlying Christian commitment and actually do a bl**dy good job of living a musicians life whilst remaining true to their own personal faith. This includes giving donations in terms of both finances and time and commitment. I recently went to one of their concerts and boy did they make you think - raised as much awareness as cash! Give them a break - at least they're doing something and getting off their backsides for what they believe in.
These were not protestors, they were anarchists who believe they are a law unto themselves plus a few militant extremists put them together and you have a handful of violent thugs that were NOT invited to attend the rally.
You can’t just cancel a project on this scale that saves lives and makes the whole world realize what has been going on.
How many more children do you think have died whilst we have been idle chatting about this, a few thousand? Well does it really matter nah not really it’s no one we know or any next of kin so it doesn’t really matter it’s their problem let them sort it out.
I don’t think so these kids have done nothing to deserve a life so short, think your self lucky you were born in a country that is at the moment at peace, but don’t hold your breath.
Here here Roy! Couldn't have said it better myself.
Here here Roy, i wholeheartedly agree it is only the morons who are acting out this moronic behavior, they tag along where ever there is a demonstration just to cause trouble and wreck anything peaceful.
And you young man should think THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I.
Do not blame the do gooders for the scum behavior,Sir Bob Geldof is a good man watch and learn young man, think before you make such comments,you can be partly excused because you are very young and have a lot to learn starting with a little humanity to humanity. Rosebud.
Adam maybe you have an innacurate view of the situation, most scots have welcomed protestors alot more than the disruption of G8. We have american gunships and armed bodyguards patrolling OUR country, and a big fence in our way.
Youve probs had news reports from itv or channel 4, we have bbc reporting scotland and local stations for news so it tends to be more accurate and less like a game of cross country chinese whispers.
Just thought- you could say that bono does alot of PRO-BONO work :) . Cheesy i know
Rosebud, I am neither as young as Adam nor as blind to Bob Geldof's faults as you, but please don't let that stop you from patronising me too...
amazin dont forget- nor as cheesy as one of johns jokes ;D
i just think that he simply took it a bit too far. theres limits! i think moving half the population of manchester to one city is a little extrodinary. maybe 500,000?? but i think it was just a little over the top. i think live 8 was enough not to need that many,
Yes RotM i undertsnad about news only being the bad points and chinese whispers. im not saying its Bobs fault really, just other people are now suffering (in Scotland) from peoples attempts to make the world a better place!
You need to hear from people who were there on the ground. I don't know what happened this time, but I was in the middle of the poll tax 'riot', and it was completely different from what was reported; the police arttacked a perfectly peaceful demnstration, and the violence followed that. I've seen morethan enough arbitrary arrests of demonstrators, and newspaper accounts that merely repeated whatever the police chose to say, to have no faith in them whatsoever. If they actually respected the right to peaceful demonstration instead of trying to suppress it wherever they can, there would befar less violence on demonstrations, and when it did occur, it would be clear to everyone who was responsible.
Oh, I don't know, Mac, I'm getting a bit ripe!
;D ;D ;D
Live 8 was enough? Dont get me started on live 8- while bob and bono are genuine, there are so many musicians jumping on their bandwagon. Madonna for example- saw her singing with a token african following her around the stage, saying nothing but just following madonna- very poor taste.
And Pete Doherty- what a hypocrite- when i think of the damage caused by drugs in britain and in the poorest countries in the world- people trafficking, killing, prostitution, theft and ultimately more poverty. And this little pr**k decides to have a very public drug habit. Theres no such thing as fairtrade cocaine!! >:(
Quote from: Robert_Brenchley on July 06, 2005, 22:16:52
You need to hear from people who were there on the ground. I don't know what happened this time, but I was in the middle of the poll tax 'riot', and it was completely different from what was reported; the police attacked a perfectly peaceful demonstration, and the violence followed that. I've seen more than enough arbitrary arrests of demonstrators, and newspaper accounts that merely repeated whatever the police chose to say, to have no faith in them whatsoever. If they actually respected the right to peaceful demonstration instead of trying to suppress it wherever they can, there would be far less violence on demonstrations, and when it did occur, it would be clear to everyone who was responsible.
Are you saying we should disregard what we see on TV and rely on what people say that have been there? I believe most of what I see and half of what I hear.
Quote from: Amazin on July 06, 2005, 21:57:50
Rosebud, I am neither as young as Adam nor as blind to Bob Geldof's faults as you, but please don't let that stop you from patronising me too...
Nothing patronising about the truth .. ..
Quote from: Roy Bham UK on July 06, 2005, 22:55:52
Are you saying we should disregard what we see on TV and rely on what people say that have been there? I believe most of what I see and half of what I hear.
You're forgetting that what you see on TV is carefully selected from a much larger amount of film and is thus very easily slanted. Remember the Poll Tax 'Riot'? I know what I saw, and it was very different from what was reported on TV, which I also saw. It's the same as the use of pulled quotes in a newspaper article; they can slant it whichever way the fancy, very easily. People do it quite unconsciously; so much so that it's probably impossible to avoid altogether. If the reporters and editors start with the belief that the police are in the right, which many of them probably do, it's very easy to 'miss' whatever incident or incidents starts it all off.
Quote from: return of the mac on July 06, 2005, 22:37:47
And Pete Doherty- what a hypocrite- when i think of the damage caused by drugs in britain and in the poorest countries in the world- people trafficking, killing, prostitution, theft and ultimately more poverty. And this little pr**k decides to have a very public drug habit. Theres no such thing as fairtrade cocaine!! >:(
ok, this is a big thing, especially during Glastonbury, Pete made mistakes and since he's been on rehab and so forth. hes now trying to make amends, i think we all can still think of other stars who ahve been on drugs?? Macca?
I do agree though about the artists just doing it to look good. it wasnt meant to be a publicity stunt, but you have to wonder about some of the bands....
Lucky him for having the chance to 'make amends'. His record sales have dipped 35% accordingly, and deservedly too
If I can just chip in......during the miners strike I was moving from Norfolk to the Manchester area with a van full of furniture. Whilst driving through Nottinghamshire I was stopped by police and had my van searched. As far as I was concerned this was a violation of my civil rights.
I was clearly under suspicion of being a flying picket. I WAS FURIOUS!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
However......if a family member or close friend had been killed or injured in London yesterday....They could search all they like of me and mine.......Dont know what this proves, just thought I would mention it!!
probably shouldn't but going to chuck my two penny in and say I do think that you were extremely harsh Rosebud by jumping on someones opinion just because they are young. We should be pleased that young people are taking interest in what is happening in the world and everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of age, gender etc. etc. This is a very emotive issue with a hell of a lot of view points and there is no point discussing it on a chat board unless people can do it without getting personal.
Hear, hear!!! i agree. thanks Justy!