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Produce => Non Edible Plants => Topic started by: Georgie on June 04, 2005, 18:53:57

Title: Unknown plant
Post by: Georgie on June 04, 2005, 18:53:57
I found this growing in one of my pots 3 years ago.  It is now 6' high and has the appearance of a sapling.  The bark is smooth with little creamy white dots.  It's not particularly attractive but I hate killing anything!  Any ideas anyone?

G xx

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Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Palustris on June 04, 2005, 19:31:55
Hornbeam?
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Georgie on June 04, 2005, 19:57:12
Could be, Eric.  I've just looked it up and I gather it has catkins?  Now, a neighbour a couple of doors down has a tree which I know has catkins.  I'd always thought it was an aspen but if it is a hornbeam that would make sense, wouldn't it?  How long do I have to wait for catkins?

G xx
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Palustris on June 04, 2005, 20:17:44
Did the leaves fall off in Winter or did they stay brown on the tree and only go when the new leaves pushed them off? That is how Hornbeam behaves. Catkins if it is? till the tree is mature, no idea how long.
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Georgie on June 04, 2005, 20:22:03
Oh no, all the leaves fell off in October.  So it's not a hornbeam then?

G xx
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Palustris on June 04, 2005, 20:27:25
It usually keeps its leaves over Winter as a beech does. How about a hazel then?
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Georgie on June 04, 2005, 20:37:56
Hmmm, could be, and that would be nice.  I'm hopeless at identifying trees.   :-[

G xx
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: montanum on June 05, 2005, 12:30:07
It looks like a silver birch to me (betula pendula
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on June 05, 2005, 13:16:29
I think you're right. It looked very familiar but I couldn't quite place it.
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Marley Farley on June 05, 2005, 15:46:12
 :) Definately a Silver Birch I get lots of self seeders like that as I have a huge tree  . :) They will pop up every where. >:( Nice trees to look at, very relaxing in their movement. :) just keep it small  ??? :)
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Georgie on June 05, 2005, 20:25:12
Silver Birch?  I agree the leaf is right but the bark is all wrong.  Or do they only get their distinctive peeling stuff when they are older?

I've got it in a pot about 15" high and 15" deep at the mo.  Can I keep it in a pot?  If not, and I put it in the ground - and I have no idea where I would do that in my small plot - how far away from the house does it need to be?

G xx

Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Robert_Brenchley on June 05, 2005, 20:41:53
Small ones have very undistinguished-looking bark.
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Justy on June 05, 2005, 21:07:48
Silver Birch has my vote too.  I love them and wish I had a garden big enough so will be interested if can be pot grown.
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Kepouros on June 05, 2005, 23:03:56
It`s definitely a birch, but not necessarily a silver birch, since there are several varieties of birch - some native and some imported.  The silver birch and the downy birch will hybridise freely and it is sometimes difficult to tell which is which.

Assuming that it is either a silver or a downy birch it can eventually reach a height of 80 feet, and in clay soils the roots of a good sized tree can cause structural damage 40 ft or more away.

When I was a boy (a long time ago) we referred to it as `50 years growing; 50 years dying`.  In fact few birches last this long. being made unsafe by fungus diseases by the time they are 70, but I once cut one down that was 95 years old.

It is a fairly fast grower, and not really a good subject for a pot as there would be insufficient root run to provide proper anchorage in windy weather.  However, it can be coppiced regularly - as indeed whole birch woods used to be to provide the wood for cotton reels for the Lancashire mills.

I would add that for hay fever sufferers, birch pollen is highly allergenic, probably second only to my bete noir - oil seed rape.
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Georgie on June 06, 2005, 12:52:36
Thanks for the info, Kepourus.  There is no way I can plant this tree 40' away from the house.   :(

Doe anyone want a 6' Birch tree?

G xx
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: teresa on June 06, 2005, 13:12:25
How about restricting its roots like you would for a mint contain them at least you could grow it on for a few years this way?
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Georgie on June 06, 2005, 13:16:56
Well, I could I suppose but I'd prefer it to grow naturally if possible.  I'm a member of a local preservation society so I've emailed the trees group to see if anyone can find it a good home.  Shame to lose it but I suspect it will be much happier in open ground.

G xx
Title: Re: Unknown plant
Post by: Garden Manager on June 06, 2005, 17:29:08
If you want to plant it out but also restrict its growth, you can now get special planting bags impregnated with copper, Plant roots dont seem to like copper so this stops the roots going mad.

No Idea what they are called though or where to get them from. Sorry!